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TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Hi legends,

TFL Bus lane PCN received for A13 Beckton exit
https://maps.app.goo.gl/unAxoYtNrwpiHoSy6?g_st=ac
No contravention video available, just images.

In 2022 we appealed a bus lane PCN on the grounds of "camera authorisation". Barking and Dagenham council failed to contest the appeal at London tribunals so we won by default. Is the "camera authorisation" angle still the way to go, now?

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« Last Edit: June 14, 2025, 11:38:47 pm by holycow »

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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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First thing to do on Monday is to phone TfL and ask for the video. This will be sent as a DVD, (yes, TfL are in the Dark Ages with IT !). However, it does give you and us more time to see what may be done, because they freeze enforcement for 2 weeks to allow the video to be produced and sent in the mail.

There are good possibilities for getting your PCN cancelled due to some peculiarities of the 1996 Act shown at the top of your PCN, but you will need 'Hippocrates' and/or cp8759 to see this thread.

The signage for this bus lane looks OK, so how come you missed it ?

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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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I have 100% v TFL bus lanes. I will dig out my technical appeal which will be available on similar threads. The last couple they did not contest. In another one they forgot to adduce the VCA certificate.

I would use this tweaked accordingly:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-contravention-n-circular-rd-btw-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg30167/#msg30167
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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We have informally appealed with:

"I make this initial challenge as follows:

The PCN is unenforceable because:

1. The reference to The Interpretation Act is both irrelevant and confusing as the legislation pertaining to Bus Lane enforcement refers to actions which may be taken by the authority and/or appellant from the date of the notice.

2. The statement: "Any written correspondence received before the issue of the Enforcement Notice will not be treated as a formal representation." fetters discretion and is contrary to the legislation in that it clearly implies that you will send an Enforcement Notice when the legislation states "may" at 4(3)(e)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/section/4/enacted

3. The statement: "It will not entitle you to the right of appeal." is both absurd and flies in the face of the law and natural justice. Further, the next statement about consideration seems to contradict what has been previously stated.

4. The statement: "Failure to respond or contact us within 28 days of the service date of this notice will result in the Enforcement Notice automatically being sent to you after this period." similarly fetters discretion and also misstates the time period.

5. The tfl.gov.uk/red-routes web address provided for paying the PCN is incorrect and results in a "sorry, this page cannot be found".

6. The alleged contravention did not occur:
The embedded photograph on the PCN  lacks any proof of relevant signage either passed or in situ.

Camera authorisation

I put you to strict proof that the camera used to capture the alleged contravention has the correct certification. If this is not forthcoming, this will be another ground of appeal.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN.

I also request video footage of the alleged contravention to be sent to me"

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Finally found my portable DVD drive. Can't believe TFL opt to waste time and money burning and posting CD's, rather than simply emailing the 1.3mb video file .


That exit is absolutely atrocious with regular half an hour tailbacks.

The bus lane literally only serves one bus (No. 173) and is empty 99% of the time. There was no enforcement on the bus lane (for us) right up until our recent sign up to TFL's auto-pay scheme! (I know it doesn't make any sense  ;D )

I know none of this is really relevant but I'm just providing context...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13FaxhTZupe5ZqmcRpErf27DUR-elJoAP/view?usp=drivesdk

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Good. I see you have found my "template".
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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They've finally rejected my informal appeal (attached). Should I formally appeal with the same?

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Wait for the Enforcement Notice.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Enforcement notice now received. Do I appeal with the same as before?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14BSTkl80yYr-_c_8c8w-PGdMuL9gC25z/view?usp=drivesdk

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Any advice much appreciated

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Enforcement notice now received. Do I appeal with the same as before?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14BSTkl80yYr-_c_8c8w-PGdMuL9gC25z/view?usp=drivesdk

Yes. I require you to consider my initial challenge as formal representations. Please cancel.

*************

They recently DNCed one. Just keep going.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Interesting - I actually don't seem to have the option to challenge online anymore. Procedural impropriety?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g_ELcAAhBkVkwXOxl6PixejXtUx0eiE2/view?usp=drivesdk

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn
« Last Edit: September 15, 2025, 12:42:37 pm by holycow »

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Did you not make any representations at all?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Yes I did:
1. Informal challenge in June and I requested the DVD
2. formal challenge in late September after getting the enforcement notice. They actually blocked me from submitting it online so I had to post the paper one!

They supposedly rejected my formal challenge on 8 oct but neglected to tell me of this before issuing the charge certificate.

It looks like they are playing very dirty but I don't see how I can prove it or what I can do about it :(

PCN status history on TFL.gov.uk here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1whJEgIJGb9XDTfzHqF19W9ZN15K0xb0X/view?usp=drivesdk