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The location on the PCN is clearly wrong, and should be part of your representations, the other being that you intended to park on the verge, but found the space too short, so drove on.

Also as this is a TfL PCN, there are other 'technical' arguments, such as camera authorisation and so on, but others on here are more expert than me, so will hopefully post soon.

Hi,
I have received the video evidence as below.
https://streamable.com/e/bjg99q?

@Partypops if you make representations against the PCN they will be rejected but you will also lose the opportunity to make representations online, because the button to make representations online will disappear (it only works once) which means that when you get the Enforcement Notice, you will have to make representations by post. If those get lost in the post there could be a lot of administrative hassle in resetting matters.

Personally I would recommend you wait for the Enforcement Notice and simply make a formal representation against that, if you do that via the TFL website there won't be any issues of TFL not receiving the representations, and you'll be able to take a screenshot of the confirmation page as proof that they have actually received your representations.

It's almost impossible to lose a London bus lane PCN as long as it is argued properly, so forget about paying the discount as you'd be throwing your money away for nothing.

@Partypops if you make representations against the PCN they will be rejected but you will also lose the opportunity to make representations online, because the button to make representations online will disappear (it only works once) which means that when you get the Enforcement Notice, you will have to make representations by post. If those get lost in the post there could be a lot of administrative hassle in resetting matters.

Personally I would recommend you wait for the Enforcement Notice and simply make a formal representation against that, if you do that via the TFL website there won't be any issues of TFL not receiving the representations, and you'll be able to take a screenshot of the confirmation page as proof that they have actually received your representations.

It's almost impossible to lose a London bus lane PCN as long as it is argued properly, so forget about paying the discount as you'd be throwing your money away for nothing.

Hey sorry if the question seems obvious here but why would I want to wait for the enforcement notice? I haven’t made have any representations yet so still have that option online and you mention it will get rejected at this stage?

You mention its better to do it on the TFL website so why not do it now as you mentioned its almost impossible to lose a appeal against bus lanes?

@cp8759 Okay this makes it clearer? They will reject anyway but I will draft something. Keep a record of everything.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-contravention-n-circular-rd-btw-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg30167/#msg30167

Try that. Plus draft your own additions. And report back please.

From mrmustard to me recently: cccorrespondence@tfl.gov.uk

I stand sit corrected.

Will wait for enforcement before submitting appeal as noted above so that representation gets through the right channel at the correct stage. Do you suggest I use that appeal for my case or could you help draft something more tailored? Such as the distance of camera etc.

I might have another tribunal outcome about this specific location by then, let us know when you get the enforcement notice and we will revisit then.

It's also worth checking the website at https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn at least twice a month as the PCN history will tell you once the enforcement notice has been posted, this means that even if it is lost in the post you will be able to challenge it (as you don't need to physically receive it in order to make representations against it).

Quote from: Partypops on February 16, 2025, 11:09:33 pm

Will wait for enforcement before submitting appeal as noted above so that representation gets through the right channel at the correct stage. Do you suggest I use that appeal for my case or could you help draft something more tailored? Such as the distance of camera etc.

I might have another tribunal outcome about this specific location by then, let us know when you get the enforcement notice and we will revisit then.

It's also worth checking the website at https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn at least twice a month as the PCN history will tell you once the enforcement notice has been posted, this means that even if it is lost in the post you will be able to challenge it (as you don't need to physically receive it in order to make representations against it).

As per my thread in the Flame Pit, hopefully TFL will fall into line with the other 33 councils and we will be able to file and access cases online in the not-too-distant future.

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/complaint-re-registration-of-appeals-to-transport-for-london/

the PCN is now on enforcement stage, ready to make first challenge.