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Hi guys,

I found this thread from money saving expert where I’ve been assisted to beat quite a few private pcn’s.

I received this PCN for allegedly entering “being in a bus lane”

So where I am driving is a bus lane between two lane traffic on north circular and free parking that exists on the curb where you can see cars parked. I entered the bus lane to park in a bay which I realised after was too small. I can’t access any video evidence on website but there are photos which are very bad as it was taken from the other side traffic.

Can you please post up a GSV view telling us exactly where you parked, because I'm struggling to find any parking bays near the location on the PCN.

Can you please post up a GSV view telling us exactly where you parked, because I'm struggling to find any parking bays near the location on the PCN.

It was somewhere around here, not parking but driving onto bus lane to park only to realise my car wasn’t going to fit in the spot I had my eyes on so didn’t end up parking & I will phone them on monday to get video evidence if that will help.

Sorry here it is
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2ZXyc9upgjE36vFi6

This is the key to why you got a PCN: -

It was somewhere around here, not parking but driving onto bus lane to park only to realise my car wasn’t going to fit in the spot I had my eyes on so didn’t end up parking & I will phone them on monday to get video evidence if that will help.

So what we need now is their video, because the location on the PCN would seem totally wrong, in relation to where the cars are parked in your GSV link. Looking at the distance from Green Lanes/A406, it is 532 metres to house number 268 on the GSV link.

So don't pay yet, because TfL allow 2 weeks for the video to arrive which gives people on here time to investigate.

This is the key to why you got a PCN: -

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It was somewhere around here, not parking but driving onto bus lane to park only to realise my car wasn’t going to fit in the spot I had my eyes on so didn’t end up parking & I will phone them on monday to get video evidence if that will help.

So what we need now is their video, because the location on the PCN would seem totally wrong, in relation to where the cars are parked in your GSV link. Looking at the distance from Green Lanes/A406, it is 532 metres to house number 268 on the GSV link.

So don't pay yet, because TfL allow 2 weeks for the video to arrive which gives people on here time to investigate.

Apologies! I've just analysed the photos more clearly and managed to point out exact location where photos from 08:17 were snapped
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WQNG2WDRebQnqAyN9
This is more accurate as to where the photos were taken and I suspect the camera is in the palmers green junction coming up (snapped from quite far)

I make that about 268 metres away from A406/Green Lanes. So location is not sufficiently precise in my view.
This is their camera, I reckon.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bLz8vDJinHSSp7by6

Anyway, have you requested the video yet ?

Yes, I've requested the video and the PCN is currently on hold for 2 weeks. I've set a date in my calendar to chase up if its not received yet.

I agree with your assumption, I reckon that is the camera they've used too. That looks like a CCTV camera to me, sorry for the newbie questions but are they allowed to use it for bus lane fines? Are there any rules around the distance allowed?

Thanks

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are they allowed to use it for bus lane fines? Are there any rules around the distance allowed?

Only if properly approved and certified.

AFAIK there are no rules around distance, but they have put a location in the PCN that is incorrect for the place the alleged contravention took place. Of course they are too idle to work out the location and put that on the PCN. They don't bother, because >95% of people just cough-up when they get the PCN.

Gotcha.

In terms of what we're looking for in the CCTV, are we checking which camera was used?

For example, if the camera in the GSV link you sent was used therefore confirming wrong location was put on the PCN?
There are no other cameras in that area and judging from the low quality obvious zoom in the photo evidence, it's very likely that is the camera in your link.

Just out of curiosity, if that is the correct location I sent then what should the location be saying on the PCN? Does it have to be accurate to the door number? They've put down 'A406 N CIRCULAR W-BND CHEQUERS WAY GREEN LANES', 'Chequers way' is definitely somewhere else around a mile away and not even on the north circular.