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Hello

The date of the incident was 8 July 2024.

I found an enforcement notice dated 12 August at my home after being away for 2 weeks, referring to a PCN “batched” on 11 July.

I never received the PCN.  I live in a flat with a separate front door from the other flats in the building, so post is sometimes delivered (by Royal Mail as well as by others) to the wrong door.

I have off street parking in front of the house, reached over a dropped pavement.
That stretch of Clapham Road is an all times bus lane, which also has a marked cycle path.
I believe that I am allowed to cross the bus lane to reach my property, and my own practice is to cross opposite the entrance, drive a bit further parallel to the pavement, and then reverse in.  Going in forward would be difficult for the parking area, but more importantly it would be dangerous to reverse out across the pavement with no view of it.

I have been living there for 6 years, and have never had any PCNs.  A camera has recently (not sure exactly when) been installed to cover this stretch of road, but I have not received any PCNs when I have been driving.

On this occasion I was not driving, and the driver entered the bus lane about 2 houses before our entrance, which is between the white topped pillars – photo 1.  The reason for entering the bus lane early is that it is safer because of the frequent cyclists in the bus lane – although there were none on this occasion.  Photo 3 shows the car stopped and about to reverse into the entrance.

I need help with my representations in two respects.  The non-receipt of the PCN, which has increased the penalty from £80 to £160, and a challenge to the penalty because of the need to enter the bus lane to get to my property.  I have until 9 Sept to make representations.

I give below links to the following:

Page 1 of the Enforcement Notice
PCN details from TFL website
Photos 1, 2 and 3 from the TFL website

Many thanks


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1--ckWwucUL3ksk2oHF2u6DuPa5ixVoOT/view?usp=drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ijKKbXoPq5MBHp2UeLiWrvSydO6hLT7n/view?usp=drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Lso9KkbDyNSIt0orWOJiY3_CuNPvXpS/view?usp=drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o7NVXGRDrJvy1TqYcNZaIisbXHS6CrXO/view?usp=drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F8mXR1GBsSxdCt4WVwrbTVM2UGpseOWQ/view?usp=drive_link



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« Last Edit: August 27, 2024, 11:59:48 pm by AFMAC »

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Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #1 on: »
Can't open any of your links, you need to release them to, (I think), "public"

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #2 on: »

Apologies.  I am new to all this.   I think that I have released them all now.

I tried to sign in to imgur.com but couldn't.

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #3 on: »
Clearly a difficult situation for parking at your address !

It looks as if the driver of your car entered the bus lane at its start, although until you obtain and post the video this is conjecture on my part, but the photos show the car in the bus lane very close to its starting point. This will be why the PCN was served.

I think the way you handle the situation for backing-in without getting a PCN, must mean they look at your manoeuvre and decide not to serve a PCN. Your driver was obviously not aware of the "procedure", i.e to not drive any distance in the bus lane.
You need to get the video off TfL, (it's a DVD) and post it here. This should freeze the process for about 2 weeks, but check with TfL when requesting it.

If you have to submit some reps, (video hasn't turned up after 2 weeks), you need to emphasise two things: -

1. The driver was driving so as to be able to safely back the vehicle into the property. Emphasise it is essential to back in because vehicles cannot be turned round, and backing-out is extremely dangerous as there is no visibility due to the wall.
2. Due to problems with postal delivery, the PCN was not received by yourself before they served an EN therefore you have lost the discount opportunity and request it is re-offered.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2024, 01:12:06 am by Incandescent »

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #4 on: »
Many thanks for very quick response.

How do I apply for a video?

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #5 on: »
Many thanks for very quick response.

How do I apply for a video?
You have to ring them up. Make sure you mention you're at EN stage because the PCN never arrived.

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #6 on: »
Ask them for the PCN too as the last one I saw had wording issues.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #7 on: »
Thanks for the advice.

I rang TFL customer service on 0343 2221234 and was told to ring 0844 5448458, which says it costs £5 per minute.
 
I then searched online for a PCN query number and found 0343 2223333, which worked.

They will send me the video, and a copy of the PCN letter. I was first told to look online for this, but only found the bare data.  I had to insist that I wanted the full letter, and that is being sent.

I was also told that the PCN is on hold, and to ring them if the stuff had not arrived by 10 September.  I asked for the discount back and was told to raise that if/when I am going to pay.

I will upload as soon as I get anything.

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #8 on: »
Make sure that 10th September is in your diary because the 'Hold' will come off on that date even if you haven't received the video. We've seen quite a few people just wait around for it, and over-run the Hold period and also the deadline for payment or appealing, and thus lose their right to submit reps.

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #9 on: »
Thanks.  Will do.

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #10 on: »
I have rung TFL because the PCN and video have not arrived.  They told me that nothing had yet been sent, and that I needed to log my challenge before the hold runs out on (I think) next Tuesday.  I was also told that the hold automatically stops when they SEND the information, which makes no sense.

My draft of what I might write, for you to consider, is as follows.

“I never received this PCN, but did receive an Enforcement Notice dated 12 August 2024.

I telephoned TFL on 28 August to ask for a copy of the PCN and also the relevant video, and my case was put on hold for 14 days.  I have not received anything and I understand that nothing has yet been sent to me.

The background to this PCN is that I moved into Flat 1, 248 Clapham Road in 2015.  It has off street parking, with a bus lane and cycle lane across the entrance.  A camera has recently been installed covering this stretch of road, and this camera has generated the PCN.

I understand that I am allowed to cross the bus lane to reach my parking place.  My own practice has been to cross the bus lane opposite the entrance, turn parallel to the pavement and go beyond the entrance, and then reverse in.  This is necessary because of the nature of my parking pace, and desirable in order not to reverse across the pavement when I leave.  If I went in forwards, I would have to carry out a similar manoeuvre when leaving.  I believe that this process is compatible with the bus lane regulations, as it minimises the time my car is in the bus lane.

My wife was driving at the time of this PCN.  She has followed a different pattern, as she did on this occasion. She entered the bus lane a short distance away from the entrance, drove to beyond the entrance and stopped, as shown in your third photograph. She then reversed into the entrance, as the video will no doubt show.

She went into the bus lane when she did in order to avoid inconveniencing any cyclist in the cycle lane, believing that it was therefore safer, and that it was compatible with the rules.

My first challenge is therefore that the time that the car spent in the bus lane was not excessive, was compatible with the rules and the PCN should therefore be cancelled.

If you conclude that my wife’s driving was not strictly compatible with the rules, then I request that on this occasion you should exercise your discretion to waive the penalty.

I reserve the right to add to my challenge when I have seen the PCN and video.

I also request that, if you do not waive the penalty, the charge should be reduced to £80, as it would have been if I had received the PCN, as I should have done.

I can absolutely confirm that the PCN was not delivered to Flat 1.  Since the other flats in the building have a different entrance, it is possible that it was delivered (wrongly) to that entrance as sometimes happens. This is, however, unlikely, as the other occupants usually put such mail through my letter box. "

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #12 on: »

I am proposing to send my draft to TFL later today unless anyone comments.
I am not complaining at lack of comments, as I know that you are all volunteers, and I am very grateful for the input so far.

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #13 on: »
Please do not send this as it is far too candid.

*****


I never received this PCN, but did receive an Enforcement Notice dated 12 August 2024.

I telephoned TFL on 28 August to ask for a copy of the PCN and also the relevant video, and my case was put on hold for 14 days.  I have not received anything and I understand that nothing has yet been sent to me.

The background to this PCN is that I moved into Flat 1, 248 Clapham Road in 2015.  It has off street parking, with a bus lane and cycle lane across the entrance.  A camera has recently been installed covering this stretch of road, and this camera has generated the PCN.


I can absolutely confirm that the PCN was not delivered to Flat 1.  Since the other flats in the building have a different entrance, it is possible that it was delivered (wrongly) to that entrance as sometimes happens. This is, however, unlikely, as the other occupants usually put such mail through my letter box. "

I am placed at a distinct disadvantage as I have not received the PCN.  Furthermore, the EN does not show any signage allegedly passed.

Please cancel the PCN/EN or at least resend the original of the former.

Regards


« Last Edit: September 09, 2024, 07:10:32 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: TFL. Being in a bus lane. CLAPHAM RD NE-BND FROM SOUTH LAMBETH RD
« Reply #14 on: »
My apologies.  I drafted a reply to thank Hippocrates and to say that I had submitted the suggested wording, but it doesn’t seem to have been posted.

The reply from tflenforcement.com dated 9 September 2024 as follows:

“Thank you - your representation has been submitted
We'll review your representation and send a response to the registered keeper/liable party. The enforcement process will now be suspended. We aim to respond to you within 15 days - please contact us if you have not received a response after 21 days.”

No response yet, but I have received the copy of the original PCN, and have uploaded it below with the covering letter.  I see that photo 3 from the website does not appear on the PCN.

There was also a document entitled “Important information. Please read.”  I imagine that that is always the same, but I can upload a copy if required.

Is there anything that I should do now?  The next step will presumably be the response to my challenge.

The video requested has not arrived.

Kind regards


https://drive.google.com/file/d/19gNC6MSh1mHcyNL950jsAirvRKPTL40J/view?usp=drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qGcxRz2-nytCu0mu9GHNSqnv0zZgZX0k/view?usp=drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VrlwKP9gNiVURfx_B5oWohpIx1uDvvpW/view?usp=drive_link