Author Topic: TFL - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (no right turn), YORK ROAD / ADDINGTON STREET  (Read 218 times)

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I don't remember doing a right turn.
However i did go back to the location and saw that the sign is covered by tree foliage.

I Did Not Make an APPEAL Yet

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PCN Image Pg2 - https://i.ibb.co/ZRfTh9Hr/IMG-2743.jpg

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« Last Edit: June 02, 2026, 08:57:34 pm by hirerspcn »

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Unfortunately, GSV is far too old to show anything useful (2012).

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However i did go back to the location and saw that the sign is covered by tree foliage.
If your appeal case is based on no sight of a No Right Turn (NRT) sign, then you'll need to go back and get photos from a driver perspective to support your case.

The other point to make is that the video does not show the NRT sign at all and is another point for any appeal you may submit.

In addition to the above, there may be a 'technical' appeal suggested here, so wait a bit to see what might be suggested. Such appeals are based on mismanagement of the enforcement process and are usually only decided at London Tribunals, so the full PCN penalty is in play, although that is all, there being no other costs or charges.


You can see the sign from another perspective which is newer.

And thanks for you suggestion, i will wait to see if anyone else can leave feedback.

Ok so, i went back to the location and i was wrong. The sign that i saw is lowered, meaning you can see it, whereas on GSV it is much higher covered by the tree.

In this instance do i have a leg to stand on?

The PCN paperwork has same wording as TfL PCN I recently challenged. I had written in the representation there is no dispute the vehicle committed the manoeuvre (it was indisputable), but I then proceeded to enumerate all the administrative mistakes TfL made in the enforcement process of the PCN, I had even requested telephone recordings after a customer agent misinformed the appellant of the NOR process, I have still not received the recordings, but they cancelled the PCN months before tribunal. Their PCN portal did not have errors.

Thought I would clarify my previous post as to how cases are winnable if you have collateral points of appeal, even when the contravention is visible or not. In your case, you may wish to challenge the PCN on multiple counts, 1) there is no contemporaneous image of the vehicle passing any sign, neither the PCN or TfL's video evidence shows any sign being passed, it has not been made out in the PCN paperwork or the supplementary evidence; 2) the wording on the paperwork for the payment period and grounds on page three can be challenged (unless they have updated it). If TfL reject the representation, then sometimes there may be a wording defect in the NOR to strengthen a case. I understand the balance of probabilities test, whether the sign was there on the date, but an ANPR camera is there for a specific purpose to make out the contravention, but in this case it did not. It shows your vehicle making a manoeuvre. If you need the wording to challenge the PCN paperwork let me know, but it's only my layman interpretation and there is no guarantee if it would be accepted.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2026, 11:52:33 am by ryan93 »

Sure, im happy to get the wording to appeal, thanks.

Only on the images and video, you can’t see the sign because of the foliage but when driving you will be able to see it.

Should foliage even be mentioned? Or only the fact that you cannot see any signs within the image or video.


Ah okay, noted re foliage, so perhaps I might leave that point. Others may write a better representation, so disregard mine if it’s of no use. On page three of the PCN, what does ground three state verbatim? Just so I know whether to use the same wording point in respect to that, as I cannot see that page in your post.

Ah okay, noted re foliage, so perhaps I might leave that point. Others may write a better representation, so disregard mine if it’s of no use. On page three of the PCN, what does ground three state verbatim? Just so I know whether to use the same wording point in respect to that, as I cannot see that page in your post.


Thank you i did not include in original but here’s pg 3 and 4

Page 3: https://i.ibb.co/218H4XSL/IMG-2749.jpg
Page 4: https://i.ibb.co/GfZTFqcL/IMG-2751.jpg

I have drafted representations in a word document, though I presume they will be rejected, there are sometimes elements to challenge in a Notice of Rejection, so it's just a case of waiting to see what they come back with. If you PM email then I can send representation to you.

As requested please see draft representation:
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