Author Topic: Surrey CC 01- Parked in a restricted area during prescribed hours, Service Area 1  (Read 570 times)

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There's a double yellow running all the way down one side so technically the whole area can be seen as restricted if it's an on-street road. There is a shorter line with bays behind it that looks suspect to me that they are presumably relying on as you were adjacent to that?

If they are allowing some permit bays in the middle of the area they should be signed and marked - the whole area is a bit of a mess. 


« Last Edit: March 18, 2025, 01:35:41 pm by stamfordman »

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DYL apply from the centre-line of the carriageway to the edge of the highway, back of the footway or building line or however you want to describe it.

The authority's contention is that:

Where you were is a road;
That you were parked within the scope of the DYL.

IMO, neither is correct. There's no permitted configuration of parking bays as laid out here on a road, it must be a car park. As such, waiting restrictions are irrelevant.

Even if it is a road, where's the centre-line?

The authority's position is nonsensical IMO because as DYL apply 24/7 and parking within the bays is permitted Mon-Sat then the 'centre-line' must be the contiguous line around the bays!!

This is not 'the floor's lava' and waiting restrictions do not apply to every square foot not otherwise encased in a so-called parking bay.

Thank you both, I'm glad you can see my confusion, I mean adding to the fact that I also parked up whilst it was pitch black and in a row of other vehicles in what I thought was just a poorly marked bay, you can see why I haven't just coughed up the money I genuinely had no idea I was in contravention of anything and even after looking at it a lot I still can't see how I could reasonably have been expected to realise this at the time. I won't be parking there again though!

You weren't in contravention IMO, so don't beat yourself up about it.

I could go on about the requirements for traffic signs for parking bays and their permitted configuration, but if you've decided to pay then I won't, you can read for yourself:

Schedules 4 and 7; https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7/made

Section 13.6 and onwards: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf


Thanks, I'm definitely making representations and not paying at this stage I'll keep appealing! This is great thanks, I'm trying to see where I can call them out on the complete lack of maintenance, its been 2-3 more years since google street view, you can see from their evidence photos that I am nowhere near the double yellow line there was at least one or two cars either side of the 'space' I parked in on the Saturday night and the writing is illegible now but some paint markings remain giving further credence to the public perception that these were marked bays with poorly maintained lines

Nothing to do with 'nearness'.

Were you parked on a road, yes or no?

If no, end of story.

If yes, then with what authority were the bays marked as they do not conform to regulatory requirements?

And if so, where's the centre-line and what delimits the extent of the DYL?


Thanks,

This is the response I submitted earlier this evening. It's a bit long but if nothing else I will make it cost them moreoney.to deal with than what they will get out of me!

I am writing to formally appeal the parking ticket issued to my vehicle on 15/12/2025 in Service Area 1, to which my informal appeal was rejected. The ticket states that I was parked in a restricted area during prescribed hours. However, I believe this ticket was issued in error due to the following reasons: 1. Faded Markings / Poor Lighting: The bay markings in Service Area 1 were faded and difficult to discern, leading to confusion about where to park. Evidence photographs provided by Surrey County Council show severely faded lines and litter/faded white marks from now illegible lettering, contributing to the misunderstanding, especially since the vehicle was parked at night. A Google Street View image from 2015 shows how the markings used to be and provides evidence of the continued lack of maintenance. 2. Misleading / Confused Signage: The signage indicating parking restrictions was not clear enough, leading to the incorrect assumption that I was parked within a marked bay. Previous visits to Camberley involved parking in two rows of vehicles in the service area, and at the time of parking, I pulled into a 'space' between a row of other vehicles, which obscured my view of the double yellow lines on the right-hand side, further contributing to the confusion. At no point was I parked adjacent to any double yellow lines, and it is unclear if this is a carriageway or a car park due to the lack of markings and signage. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7/made 3. Previous Usage: I have parked in this area on an almost annual basis without issues, indicating that the markings and signage have been consistently unclear, and enforcement has not been taken previously. As someone who has worked in local government for 20 years, and 10 of those within the parish & town council sector frequently dealing with highways matters for residents, you can imagine how concerned I was to receive a PCN to which I did not understand why. This was further compounded when my informal appeal was rejected on the basis that I hadn't understood why I had supposedly committed the contravention. I would say I have a higher-than-average understanding of local council administration and legislation, yet still unknowingly parked incorrectly. The following text conveys the issues that can occur when a PCN is unclear: “A street is often subject to a number of differing parking restrictions. For example, one particular parking bay in a street may be restricted to permit holders only between the prescribed hours of 9am to 6pm while another parking bay may be restricted to Pay & Display between the prescribed hours of 8am to 6pm. However, a person who lawfully parks their vehicle in either bay during the prescribed hours is doing just as my vehicle was also doing, that being, “parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours”. Quite simply, the ground stated on the PCN is not fit for purpose since it does not distinguish between a vehicle that is lawfully parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours and one that is not. The use of this equivocal ground is potentially prejudicial as a person may prepare an appeal focusing on a parking restriction that is not actually relevant to the reason why the PCN was served. For instance, many PCNs are served upon vehicles that are parked partly in a parking space with either their front or rear end slightly overhanging an adjacent single or double yellow line. Often where this happens a PCN is served upon the vehicle for being “parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours”. However, due to the diverse meaning in plain English of this ground, the recipient of the PCN may wrongly but reasonably assume that they contravened the parking place restriction rather than be aware that they fractionally infringed upon the “No Waiting” yellow line restriction. In the interest of justice, a person needs to easily comprehend why their vehicle was not considered lawfully parked so that they can either avoid doing so again or gather the relevant evidence for any subsequent appeal. It must also be remembered that the ground on the PCN will be repeated on the NtO and the owner may not have been the driver. Therefore, unless an NtO is accompanied each and every time by adequate photos of the signage, the owner when applying common language will not be able to deduce with certainty what parking restriction the expression “restricted street” concerns and was allegedly contravened. The general principles of law dictate that a person should not have to decipher the ground stated on a PCN or guess what restriction was allegedly contravened; it should be unequivocal. In a day and age when the UK is host to a wealth of visitors and residents whose first language is not English and when central and local Government both readily advocate the use of plain English on all public forms and documents it is nonsensical to use language on a PCN that is ambiguous or may require a person to refer to the glossary of a faraway traffic order to gain a degree of understanding of what they allegedly did wrong. The council may be using the standard contravention codes but it should be remembered that these contravention codes have no statutory authority and cannot be relied upon as a defence as made clear in the key adjudication case between Metrick v Camden (Case no 207034396A). I find the ground of “parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours” to be unsupported as a parking contravention prescribed by the traffic order. The order may prohibit waiting in certain lengths of road at certain times but the order does not define and correlate waiting restrictions with being "restricted street" nor does it define and correlate what is considered "prescribed hours". It is critical to remember that the purpose of a PCN is to encourage people to park lawfully, so it stands to reason that a person needs to know precisely what they did wrong in order to avoid doing so again. The ground given on the PCN is ineffective in conveying what I allegedly did wrong and as such it does not satisfy paragraph 1(e) contained within the Schedule to “The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) General Regulations 2007 and the penalty charge should be cancelled forthwith rather than drag this matter to adjudication.” Here is some further legislation and guidance that I believe is relevant to this appeal and where I feel Surrey County Council have fallen short in their duties as the local highway authority: From page 119: Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 05 '12.7 Maintenance 12.7.1. Road markings, including reflecting road studs, must be well maintained if they are to fulfil their purpose. Regulatory markings must be maintained properly if they are to be enforced effectively. Guidance can be found in TD 26 in Volume 8 of DMRB and ‘Well managed Highway Infrastructure: A Code of Practice’ (published by UK Roads Liaison Group). 12.7.2. All markings, including reflecting road studs, should be inspected at regular intervals both by day and, where appropriate, for reflectance by night. Retroreflectivity of road markings can be measured by static equipment or by dynamic equipment mounted on a vehicle travelling at normal traffic speeds. 12.7.3. It is not possible to recommend specific renewal intervals for markings as these will depend upon the type of line, the material comprising the marking and traffic flow. Traffic authorities should keep their carriageway markings under review (particularly on heavily trafficked roads) to ensure that their effectiveness is maintained at all times.' THE SURREY COUNTY COUNCIL CAMBERLEY CONTROLLED PARKING ZONE IN THE BOROUGH OF SURREY HEATH (CONSOLIDATION AND REVOCATION OF WAITING LOADING AND UNLOADING RESTRICTIONS AND ON STREET PARKING PLACES) ORDER 2017 Placing of traffic signs etc 35 THE Council shall: (a) place and maintain a traffic sign or traffic signs indicating the limits of a parking space and/or each parking place and (b) place and maintain in or in the vicinity of each parking place referred to in (ii) Article 11 of this Order a traffic sign or traffic signs indicating that such parking place may be used during the permitted hours for the leaving only of the vehicles specified in Article 12 (c) carry out such other work as is reasonably required for the purposes of the satisfactory operation of a parking place Given these points, I respectfully request that the penalty charge notice be reviewed and dismissed. I trust that Surrey County Council will consider this appeal favourably. Thank you for your attention to this matter.


No one will read that unless you break it up into paragraphs.