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Hi All

I received a PCN by post on Friday for a contravention dated 22nd July. The alleged offence is stopping on a red route/clearway.

Here’s what happened: There’s a clearway sign at the entrance of apartment building, with marked parking bays just before & after it. Unfortunately, all spaces in the parking bays were already taken at that time. Except one car was just about to leave, they had their indicators on, so I briefly (less than a minute) reversed my car into the clear-way sign (I think, as I dint know at that time about the clear way sign), not to unblock the traffic from behind. Once the car moved, I parked my car and paid for the parking.

The PCN does not show my car parked, only an image of it on the road – presumably because I wasn’t stationary for long.

Given the very short stop and lack of evidence showing my car parked, do I have a chance to challenge this PCN?

Here the is the link for google maps :
https://maps.app.goo.gl/mJSsSZwnnAojFLEk8

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Post the PCN, blanking only name and address.

Thank you for your response, PCN attached

Hi all

Will this Photo in the PCN support my case? It doesn't clearly show my car is parked in clear way.

@stamfordman and @Hippocrates - Could you please advice

Thanks
« Last Edit: August 08, 2025, 08:16:25 am by ConfusedD »

Hello,

Could anyone please let me know if this appeal sounds okay to send?

I am writing to formally challenge the Penalty Charge Notice on the basis that the alleged contravention did not occur.

At the time in question, my vehicle did not stop or park in a prohibited clearway area. I briefly manoeuvred my vehicle while waiting for a vehicle in a marked bay to vacate. This involved barely pulling across slightly, but my vehicle was never stationary within the clearway, nor was it parked at any point in a restricted area.

The movement was part of a normal, slow-moving traffic adjustment, and there was no stopping, waiting, or parking in breach of any restriction. The vehicle remained in motion and was promptly parked in a legal bay once available, at which point I paid for parking in full compliance with local requirements.

I respectfully request that the CCTV footage and photographic evidence be reviewed closely, as it will clearly show:

The vehicle was not stationary in the clearway,
The vehicle was in transitional movement, not stopped,
There was no obstruction or unlawful advantage gained.
As such, I believe the PCN was issued in error and should be cancelled.

Thank you

Replace 'respectfully' with 'therefore'.

They will reject your reps as they do to almost all representations, because they know that <95% of people then just cough-up. You have to be prepared to stand your ground and take them to the adjudicators at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. This means the full PCN penalty is in play, of course.

« Last Edit: August 08, 2025, 06:29:17 pm by Incandescent »

I can't see a contravention here?







Replace 'respectfully' with 'therefore'.

They will reject your reps as they do to almost all representations, because they know that <95% of people then just cough-up. You have to be prepared to stand your ground and take them to the adjudicators at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. This means the full PCN penalty is in play, of course.

Thanks for pointing that out — I understand they usually reject most representations just to push people into paying. I checked the footage thank you @stamfordman and it clearly shows I didn’t stop in the clearway — the car was just briefly manoeuvring and still in motion.
I’m ready to take it to adjudication if they reject, but since these things often come down to technical details, I’d really appreciate advice on how to strengthen my case. Any successful appeal in a similar situation — especially involving red routes or clearway cases? Would really appreciate an appeal to understand how it played out.

Can we forget about your recollections please. If there's one common feature on this forum it's driver's mistaken recollections!

What does their evidence show?

Device - mobile camera;

Stationary car by road works managed by temporary traffic lights;
Est. 3 car spaces between the car and 'wait here' sign;
Duration in view of camera - 1 second;
Colour of traffic light - green;
Location: On a 24/7 red route, in middle of traffic lane and adjacent to 24/7 conditional exempted parking place marked correctly with white lines but improperly marked with the words KEEP CLEAR which created a space for at least 3 cars.

FFS.

I stopped at a red light and switched off my engine.
The lights changed to green.
Traffic set off, but I didn't immediately as I had to start my engine etc.
Car stalled; got flustered; put on left indicator to invite traffic to pass.

How the hell would the predatory(I don't usually like this word, it's overused and misplaced more often than not, but IMO it applies here) camera car know what circumstances led to you being stationary.

But in your case you were driving in the traffic lane, observed at least 3 vacant spaces in the parking place, stopped in the traffic lane beyond where you intended to park only for as long as it took you to stop, indicate left and reverse into the parking spaces, reversing being your preferred mode of parking and absolutely legitimate.

You have viewed the council's evidence which is totally consistent with the facts and wholly inconsistent with a decision to demand a penalty for carrying out a legitimate driving manoeuvre.

There is no contravention, the PCN must be cancelled.





Thanks @H C Andersen for highlighting the key points, I've drafted below appeal - used some points from online, let me know if I have added anything incorrectly.


I am writing to make formal representations under the provisions of the Traffic Management Act 2004, in respect of Penalty Charge Notice number issued.

Having carefully reviewed the evidence provided by the enforcement authority, I submit that no contravention occurred, and I request that the PCN be cancelled for the following reasons:

1. No Contravention as Defined by Applicable Regulations

The vehicle was briefly stationary in a live traffic lane adjacent to a clearly marked, conditionally exempted parking bay on a red route. The video evidence shows that the vehicle was not stopped in a prohibited area such as a red route clearway or within a marked “Keep Clear” zone, nor was it causing obstruction.

No signage was contravened, and no statutory prohibition under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, or the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD), appears to have been breached.

2. Legitimate Driving Maneuver – Not “Parking” or “Stopping” for the Purposes of Enforcement

The vehicle had come to a stop at a red signal and the engine was switched off. When the traffic signal turned green, I attempted to restart the vehicle, which momentarily stalled. During this short delay, I indicated left to allow vehicles to pass while preparing to reverse into one of several available spaces in the adjacent bay — a lawful and legitimate maneuver which does not constitute a prohibited stop or illegal parking.

Being stationary for a few seconds in a traffic lane while preparing to carry out a safe and legal parking maneuver is not a contravention under current legislation or TMO (Traffic Management Order) restrictions.

3. De Minimis Non Curat Lex – The Law Does Not Concern Itself With Trifles

The duration of the vehicle being stationary in the traffic lane was approximately one second, as per the council’s own CCTV evidence. This is clearly a de minimis event and cannot reasonably be considered a contravention warranting enforcement action.

4. Council Evidence Supports My Account and Undermines the Alleged Contravention

The CCTV footage provided confirms:

The vehicle was not obstructing traffic;
The stop was extremely brief;
The adjacent parking bay was not full;
The “KEEP CLEAR” marking, while present, was not supported by appropriate traffic signs and does not constitute a formal restriction;
There was no indication of loading/unloading, alighting or waiting contrary to applicable regulations.

Thus, the council’s own evidence does not support the issuance of this PCN and is, in fact, consistent with a legitimate driving action.

5. Request for Cancellation in Accordance with Fair and Proportionate Enforcement

In accordance with the Secretary of State’s Statutory Guidance to Local Authorities on the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions, enforcement authorities are expected to act fairly, proportionately, and in the interest of justice. Issuing a PCN for a brief, lawful stop under the above circumstances is neither fair nor proportionate.

Therefore, for the reasons stated above, There is no contravention, the PCN must be cancelled.

I'll look tomorrow. At first glance it's OTT.

Of course you were stopped on a red route: it's a red route and you were stopped! The RR extends from the centre-line of the carriageway to the back of the footway. So we can forget all about reference to the TSRGD. 

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No signage was contravened, and no statutory prohibition under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003,
The PCN is served under the Traffic Management Act 2004, and reference to the LLA & TfL Act 2003 is irrelevant, as it does not apply in Reading.

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No signage was contravened, and no statutory prohibition under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003,
The PCN is served under the Traffic Management Act 2004, and reference to the LLA & TfL Act 2003 is irrelevant, as it does not apply in Reading.

Appreciate you clarifying- This makes sense, I will remove the reference LLA & TfL Act 2003 since its not relevant here

I'll look tomorrow. At first glance it's OTT.

Of course you were stopped on a red route: it's a red route and you were stopped! The RR extends from the centre-line of the carriageway to the back of the footway. So we can forget all about reference to the TSRGD.

Sure, @ H C Andersen I will remove the 1st point, just wondering if you had a chance to go over the other points as well? Reading council made some pretty clear mistakes, and I dont want valid grounds of appeal being overlooked just because of my incorrect technical reference.

The vehicle was briefly stationary in a live traffic lane adjacent to a clearly marked, conditionally exempted parking bay on a red route and was stopped only momentarily due to the need to exercise proper care before reversing into the parking place. This is an exemption from the Red Route prohibition i.e. circumstances beyond the driver's control.

At this point it is necessary to bring to the authority's attention that their CCTV could not confirm what I did after stopping because the CCTV evidence (taken from a mobile vehicle) lasts for 1 second.