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Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
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OK so you may have wrongly advised to wait for something you already had instead of waiting for the order for recovery but the upshot is that you didn't get it - the timeline says it was issued on 31 January?

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Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
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OK so you may have wrongly advised to wait for something you already had instead of waiting for the order for recovery but the upshot is that you didn't get it - the timeline says it was issued on 31 January?

Correct. 2nd January is the last I heard from TfL over the phone until Bailiffs turned up on 22nd April to take the money. And as you correctly stated they issued OfR 31st January which I did not receive.

So, I did not receive the original PCN which I could make an appeal against, and I did not receive the OfR and found out about the OfR when bailiffs turned up.

The question now is what do I write on the N244 form?
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Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
« Reply #17 on: »
The problem with your OOT is it didn't set out the missing documents - the PCN and order for recovery and that you did due diligence with TFL as to what to do. It got close with the 'statutory declaration form'.

I don't know if you can rescue this on the N244 - others will know.

Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
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The problem with your OOT is it didn't set out the missing documents - the PCN and order for recovery and that you did due diligence with TFL as to what to do. It got close with the 'statutory declaration form'.

I don't know if you can rescue this on the N244 - others will know.

Hi Stamfordman,
I thought my OOT was clear in that we did not receive the OfR form hence why it was not submitted on time. I wanted to keep it lean and actually focus on what had actually happened.

I do not think it had anything to do with getting in contact with TfL, appealing etc. It was simply we never received the OfR form and did not know about the enforcement. But for them to say that there was no reason for the OOT is absurd.


Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
« Reply #19 on: »
I think you should file the N244 but it needs to be crystal clear on the terminology for the documents you didn't receive, in particular the order for recovery.

Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
« Reply #20 on: »
OP, would you get any financial relief with a N244 application? If not, then IMO you should consider the fee as being unrecoverable and decide whether it's worth the risk. As I understand it, the cost for a hearing is £313.

No payment at this stage:
Best case: -£313 i.e. PCN is eventually cancelled but you bear the cost of N244;
Worst case: -£593.

Pay now: -£280.

Wait for others.

Don't let your annoyance at the current situation blind you to achieving the optimum financial outcome.

Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
« Reply #21 on: »
OP, would you get any financial relief with a N244 application? If not, then IMO you should consider the fee as being unrecoverable and decide whether it's worth the risk. As I understand it, the cost for a hearing is £313.

No payment at this stage:
Best case: -£313 i.e. PCN is eventually cancelled but you bear the cost of N244;
Worst case: -£593.

Pay now: -£280.

Wait for others.

Don't let your annoyance at the current situation blind you to achieving the optimum financial outcome.
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Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
« Reply #22 on: »
OP, would you get any financial relief with a N244 application? If not, then IMO you should consider the fee as being unrecoverable and decide whether it's worth the risk. As I understand it, the cost for a hearing is £313.

No payment at this stage:
Best case: -£313 i.e. PCN is eventually cancelled but you bear the cost of N244;
Worst case: -£593.

Pay now: -£280.

Wait for others.

Don't let your annoyance at the current situation blind you to achieving the optimum financial outcome.

I decided to do a N244 without a hearing for £123, and I attached an in-depth background on the situation as we discussed on the forum page. I did also request that the fee be given back because I believed it shouldn't have been rejected by the court officer. There was no pay now option since the bailiffs already took £600.

Worst Case: -£723
Best Case: £-160

I just don't like how the system is built, but, I have learnt a lesson to make sure I use correct terminology, come here for advice and write as much details as possible to avoid ambiguity. Lesson learned, and thanks to all who chimed in.

Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
« Reply #23 on: »
Fair enough - run the wording past us on here before submitting.

Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
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2.   XYZ is a small business in the rental sector and are generally not liable for any penalty charge notices if they are appealed in time and are transferred to the renters.

3.   According to Transport for London a penalty charge notice was issued on 26th September 2024. This penalty charge notice was not received by XYZ.

4.   A letter dated 07 November 2024 was received on 01 December 2024 and we had appealed the penalty charge notice with the reasons as to why liability is not with us.

5.   On 02 January 2025 we receive a rejection letter, however, Transport for London have put an offer forward for £90.00 if cleared within 14 days. We call Transport for London and tell them that we cannot accept this offer, and they advised us to wait for the certificate for recovery.

6.   On 15 April 2025 we have enforcement agents to collect the debt which has skyrocketed to £600.00, we pay it and instantly file a Statutory Declaration and Out of Time application.

7.   On 10 July 2025 this is rejected for “No explanation why the statutory declaration served late”.

8.   Upon looking at Transport for London website, they had registered the Debt on 31 January 2025, we did not receive this application, hence why we could not make an in-time application. We had no idea that an Order for Recovery was issued.

We believe that “No explanation why the statutory declaration served late” is unjustified

9.   It is one thing for the Court Officer to find our explanation insufficient, but for them to state no explanation was provided is erroneous.

10.   Looking at the Application to file a Statutory Declaration Out of Time (PE2) form (Exhibit 1) we had written the following “We never received a Statutory Declaration form or any court documents from TfL or the Court, so we had no opportunity to submit our appeal within the normal timeframe. We only discovered the warrant when enforcement agents arrived, at which point it was too late to file. Therefore, we respectfully request permission to submit our Statutory Declaration out of time”.

11.   It is important to note as a litigant in person it is difficult to know the specific name of the forms. We had stated that we never received a statutory declaration form timeframe (Issued by TfL on 31 January 2025 – did not receive) so had no opportunity to submit our appeal within the normal. We now know that we were referring to the Order for Recovery of Unpaid Penalty Charge. This was not received by us, hence why did not submit a Statutory Declaration that we did not receive the original penalty charge notice, which gives us 21 days to a statutory declaration.

12.   This is further evidenced when we said we only discovered the warrant when enforcement agents arrived, and we instantly did a PE2 and PE3 form. This was time sensitive for us because many a time the payment is paid over to TfL so that PE2 and PE3 form were rushed.


Why the Out of Time Application Was Necessary

13.   We have no commercial gain or motive to delay or evade responding to PCNs; in fact, we benefit from actively appealing, as liability is correctly transferred away from us. Any suggestion that failure to file in time was tactical is therefore unfounded.

14.   We further ask the court for the refund of the £123 application fee, if the refusal was unreasonable.

Looking for the following outcome

15.   For the reasons set out above, I respectfully ask the court to:
(a) Set aside the decision of the TEC Court Officer dated 10 July 2025;
(b) Grant me permission to file the statutory declaration out of time;
(c) Order reimbursement of the £123 District Judge application fee.

Re: Statutory Declaration out of time REJECTED
« Reply #25 on: »
Have you sent this or is it a draft?

There are so many issues with your account it's difficult to know where to start.

PCN - not received;
Charge Certificate(not 'letter') received ON A SUNDAY (1 Dec. 2024 was a Sunday) 24 days after posting. 

The enforcement agent is required to carry out a soft trace when there is doubt, as in your case, as to whether the correct address for current service is as per the  registered keeper's on the date of contravention.

These 'issues' regarding your address, service and how you receive mail are still unresolved.

etc. etc.