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Southwark - Walworth Road Experimental Loading Bays - Code 16
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We received a fine for loading in one of the experimental loading bays in Walworth Road without booking the loading bay in advance.

The code is 16 - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit
where required

We have appealed and the appeal was rejected.

The appeal was on the basis that we were loading at the time.

The appeal demonstrated the loading and provided evidence in the form of drivers logs, receipts, etc and was of a large amount - several hundred kg and from a commercial vehicle / 3.5tonne volkswagen transporter van.

The council rejected the appeal because it is an experimental loading bay where you need to book via an app to load there.

However there is no 'pips' on the curb or elsewhere,  and there isn't any no loading signs. Only a normal sign on the bay says only 'Permit Holders Only 1WR'.
Under this there is an electronic display screen.

Street view link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/8wbGxPMmKMiyCe7W8

We have not yet got the notice to vehicle holder so we are waiting for that to appeal again, but wanted advice on if this is worthwhile pursing.

I believe that as we were loading in a space that does not explicitly ban loading, we are within our legal right to load here. However as this is an experimental traffic order bay. The reference for this order is TMO2324-EXP04_Dynamic loading Walworth
Therefore I am not sure this is as clear cut a case as it normally would be.

Here is some info on the scheme: https://gridsmartercities.com/walworth-road-scheme-made-permanent

I am hoping I can appeal on the basis of the lack of pips or signs, which is genuinely why the driver loaded from the spot. We've always on prior cases for loading where there wasn't signed restrictions. But I'm not sure if the experimental traffic order can overtake in law from the normal rules on pips and signs or not, my gut is that it doesn't and the council should have applied these, however we are not in a great financial position and don't want to have to pay many hundreds of pounds if we take this all the way to adjudication and lose so looking for advice, if anyone else has won a case like this.

Thank you so much in advance for any help you might be able to provide.

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Re: Southwark - Walworth Road Experimental Loading Bays - Code 16
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Here is the original PCN:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hdAMw5ny9s5vpjy1gOOpBek4ZJNUinJT/view?usp=sharing

This is the councils picture of the sign from the PCN:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gg28_ro-jH1r0GwXtP9OzyYwHYK-IS4W/view?usp=sharing

Sadly I did not save a copy of my original appeal, it stated it was a weekly pre-arranged loading of recycling from 2 charity shops and provided evidence of this in the form of drivers route and receipts, and argued that without pips and no loading restrictions we were allowed to load from that spot, and did so in an apologetic manner saying we were not aware of the restriction and wouldn't load there in future despite the fact it is incredibly hard to move around 300kg of goods from a side street across the road where there's a single yellow line option.

Re: Southwark - Walworth Road Experimental Loading Bays - Code 16
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Interesting - don't think we've seen such a bay before. Initial thoughts:

- There is nothing to say it's a loading bay (the info screen does say loading area but it's not a parking place sign)
- The PCN just says it's permit bay and doesn't say what permit
- We'd expect loading to be an exemption in a permit bay.

So they're saying loading isn't an exemption in a loading bay!

We need to look at the traffic order.*

Who is the registered keeper of the van.

But you misunderstand the bay - you can book it for loading (free). The idea is only to load there when you have a slot so it will be clear.

* Order:
https://services.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/216202/Dynamic-loading-trial-Walworth-Road-notice-dated-5-Oct-2023-.pdf
« Last Edit: August 17, 2025, 11:44:09 pm by stamfordman »

Re: Southwark - Walworth Road Experimental Loading Bays - Code 16
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It's a weird one for sure.
The experimental traffic order is a bit confusing, or at least doesn't seem to address this scenario directly.

My thoughts were is there some general rule that to ban loading there needs to be a standard sign and/or pips on the curb, and if these don't exist then any ban on loading is invalid? Is this perhaps established in case law?

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The point is it's a permit bay but the permit is for loading and you have to book a permit slot. They could hardly add no loading conditions.

I'll have a look at the order later to see how they rule out loading without a free permit session.

But this is bad by Southwark as such a recent unusual restriction should really be subject to a free first strike given you were using the bay for its intention and their duty for fairness is in play in my view.   

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I believe my best defence is to challenge them that they haven't fulfilled this part of the traffic order:

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15.1 The Council shall:
(a) place and maintain traffic signs or other appropriate markings on the surface of the street indicating the limits of each dynamic loading place designated by this Order;
(b) place and maintain in or in the vicinity of each dynamic loading place, traffic signs indicating that such dynamic loading place may be used during the permitted hours for the waiting for the purpose of loading and unloading only of the vehicles specified in Article 5.1 of this Order;

As the e-ink sign is not a standard traffic sign and appears to be an advertising type sign such as found on a cigarette bin rather than something to do with traffic, and the normal sign makes no reference to any special provisions therefore would not have been read as banning loading, as loading is permitted in permit holder bays.

Any idea of if this line of defence might be successful, if there is any precedent for arguing on the basis of incomplete signs in other cases (obviously unlikely to be any cases very similar to this one as it's an experimental traffic order).

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The council has rejected all appears and I have now appealed to the tribunal with the following appeal, please let me know if I should submit any further evidence or if anyone else has any knowledge of UK law on traffic signs that can be used:

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The vehicle was loading book recycling collection boxes weighing at least 300kg in total from two charity shops, Crisis and Mind, adjacent to the bay it stopped in to load from. This was 15 boxes weighing at least 20kg each and thus impossible to do without a vehicle. Further given the weight and bulk (the boxes are 60x40x25cm each), it would be very difficult to take this amount of boxes to the nearest single yellow line area across the junction within 20 minutes restriction, meaning loading from spot was vital given lack of alternatives. The driver, NAME REMOVED, was not our usual driver and was unaware of the experimental traffic order on this bay and, as we demonstrate below, the signage was inadequate for this information to be conveyed to them. We have receipts from the shop, a drivers route, and evidence this is a weekly collection, and from the rejection letter that we were loading does not seem to be in dispute with the authority.

The bay in question has a sign stating it is a permit parking pay for one type of permit. The sign has no mention of loading restrictions or any other restrictions. The pavement has no 'pips' or markings that suggest any form of restriction on loading. Rule 247 of the highway code which relates to loading states 'Do not load or unload where there are yellow markings on the kerb and upright signs advise restrictions are in place. This may be permitted where parking is otherwise restricted. ' Therefore the loading in this location is compliant with the highway code. LondonCouncils.gov.uk, of which Southwark is a member, states you can load for 20 minutes in any parking bay other than diplomatic or suspended bays. The government know your traffic signs publication states "Where loading restrictions apply in addition to waiting restrictions (‘loading’ means both loading and unloading), these are indicated by yellow kerb marks and white plates" neither of which are present here.

We now understand there is a experimental traffic order on this bay, however this was not clearly signposted on the permanent metal sign or in markings and therefore enforcement is invalid. The council states there is an electronic sign, however this does not appear to be a road sign as it is at a lower height, uses different typography, is electronic, and resembles an advert not a sign. Further it does not provide clear, concise instructions the way parking signs do. Schedule 4 of TSRGD (pages 81 - 84) states requirements for the loading restriction sign that the electronic sign clearly does not comply with, and the normal sign which might do does not mention loading restrictions.

I would suggest to Southwark that their bay sign should read 'Permit holders 1WR only. No loading at any time except by prior booking see electronic sign' rather than just 'Permit holders 1WR only'. This would clearly state the restriction they wish to enforce and would be obvious and enforceable. My understanding is the basis of the rejection of our appeal was that the authority believes their signage is adequate to enforce no loading, the basis of our appeal is the signage is clearly non-compliant and needs to be modified, and any previous PCNs to others loading here cancelled and refunded as they currently do not convey the requirement to pre-book and therefore cause law abiding drivers to be issued with PCNs while following standard universal procedures for identifying where they can load. If Southwark is allowed to win this tribunal, it would set a dangerous precedent that in effect modifies UK traffic law on how loading restrictions are signposted making it impossible for millions of commercial drivers to follow the law due to lack of clear rules.

I have already spent significant time on appealing to Southwark twice, while I am sure they know I am correct about signage, and therefore I believe their rejection was vexatious and compensation should be awarded to ourselves for time spent appealing.


Re: Southwark - Walworth Road Experimental Loading Bays - Code 16
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Let's see their rejection of reps to the NTO and your reps.

It's usually best to wait to see the evidence pack before setting out a lengthy appeal, and of course it's best to opt for an online or telephone hearing.

What is the date of the appeal. I suggest waiting to see if they contest and if so what their summary says in case there are other points.

I presume the basic position is no contravention owing to inadequate signage.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2025, 10:45:36 am by stamfordman »