Author Topic: Southwark Council - Code 33e Bus Gate / Dulwich Village (Northbound towards Pickwick Road)  (Read 66 times)

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Hello everyone,

I’ve received a PCN from Southwark Council for allegedly driving through a route restricted to certain vehicles (buses, cycles and taxis only).

Details:

* Council: Southwark Council
* Contravention code: 33e
* Location: Dulwich Village (Northbound) towards Pickwick Road
* Date/time: 12/05/2026 at 15:04
* PCN issued: 18/05/2026

I’m posting here to see whether there may be any grounds to appeal before deciding whether to pay or challenge it.

I approached the bus gate roundabout via Dulwich Village Road and took the 3rd exit onto Burbage Road before entering the restricted area.

PCN letter links:
https://imgpile.com/p/enJqBuy (PCN letter pages 1-2)
https://imgpile.com/p/hpKQe9M (PCN letter pages 3-4)
https://imgpile.com/p/mjJ55Vp (video footage entering Burbage Rd)

Google maps location of road approaching bus gate roundabout (turning right/3rd exit onto Burbage Rd):
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I’d really appreciate any advice on whether the signage, road layout, or PCN itself may provide grounds for challenge. 

Thanks very much for your help. :)
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Family member received the same PCN in Sep 2024, the chief adjudicator allowed the appeal on the basis of a collateral challenge, because Southwark's PCN portal miscited the date for increasing the PCN charge to a charge certificate. It was a screenshot that won the case. We also challenged the PCN wording that's identical to the wording in your PCN in regards to the period for issuing a charge certificate. Paragraph 5(2)(a) under Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 sets the period for issuing a charge certificate as 28 days from the date of service of the notice. We argued the PCN wording disregarded the service period and it did not meet the strict legal criteria thus was unenforceable. Had mentioned the extensive information on the associated time-plate cannot be assimilated under the conditions of the roundabout. The adjudicator was more interested in the PCN portal argument. Just make sure you routinely take screenshots of the PCN portal incase Southwark make an error when citing dates and such like.

Thank you for your reply Ryan, your insight is really helpful! :)

I just looked on the PCN portal again, and I can't find any date for PCN increase to Charge Certificate (https://imgpile.com/p/JNYOd6O). Please do tell me if I've looked in the wrong place, or if maybe they have removed that line since you raised it, maybe?

Also, how did you argue the case for issuing the charge certificate? As far as I can tell, Southwark also say it's 28 days after notice is served? How does this relate to Paragraph 5(2)(a) under Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003? (https://imgpile.com/p/FqOQTot)

I like the argument of the information dense time-plate on the entrance to Burbage Rd. Did they not counter it with the sign also being present on the entry road into the roundabout? (https://imgpile.com/p/DI7FY5M)

Thank you again Ryan, you've been a tremendous help!

Just below the image from the ANPR camera on Page 1 of the PCN paperwork it states:

“If full payment has not been made before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice, a Charge Certificate may be issued increasing the amount outstanding by 50% to £240.”

That was the same PCN wording that I challenged when I argued the appeal. The wording should say ‘from the date of service of this notice’ or to that effect, otherwise the appellant is not afforded the full statutory provisions.

In terms of the PCN portal, the wording error came after they rejected my representation, a yellow box appeared above the blue box stating it would increase the charge by 50% on a date that it was not meant to. I calculated the correct date from 28 days the Notice of Rejection is served. The period of service affords two extra days from the date of issue.

Although the PCN portal looks quite similar in appearance, the blue box seems visually different as it now has a green border, I wonder if they have rectified any software issues that were causing incorrect date citations...that's why it's important to monitor your PCN case updates on the portal. For instance another local authority said it received my PCN challenge on a different date than when I submitted it online, so I have used that argument as well. In the corner of my Apple computer I clicked the date dropdown, then I screenshot the webpage including my desktop for evidence to ensure there was a date stamp.

If no errors arise on the PCN portal, then it makes the case more risky at appeal.

Before submitting representations, it’s advisable to film a reconstruction video of the route taken from the vehicle dashboard, I suspect your route of approach may have been via College Road (unless I am mistaken?). Upload the video to a platform ensure it is set to unlisted (link access only). Then copy the youtube video link into your representations when making a signage argument. Don’t click on the link, keep it at zero views. When the Local Authority reject the representation, go and check the view count, if it’s still at zero...then they did not view attached evidence, and it may constitute a ‘failure to consider’. You could then cite paragraph 1(7) under Schedule 1 as a supplementary legal argument.

I can draft a representation on the PCN wording and signage points, but they will reject it. That's why the above strategy is important to ensure you have as many lines of argument to deploy.

Ahhh, I see.

Did they reject your representation based on the argument that the PCN wording was incorrect?

I'll make sure to keep a look out the PCN portal for sure. Also, thanks for the advice on screenshotting after submitting the appeal, in case they state a different date.

Is the appeal process only after your representation is rejected? Which makes the process riskier as it would then risk the full £160 payment if the appeal falls through? Apologies for all the questions...

You're right, it was via College Rd. Unfortunately, I live outside of London and was only visiting a friend there, so I don't think I'll be able to film a reconstruction video. However, could I use different video/footage and still apply that rule, in case they do not view the attached evidence?

Ryan, you've been fantastic help, honestly, thank you. A draft would be tremendously useful, if it's not too much to ask for, thank you again! :)

So, do you advise submitting the representation based on the PCN wording and signage points? And then if rejected, proceed with appeal? Is the appeal assessed by London Tribunals rather than Southwark Council themselves?

Ryan93 has described what we call a "collateral" challenge against a PCN. These are based on council, (and also TfL) mismanagement of the enforcement process and have won quite a few adjudications at London Tribunals now, so if you're willing to risk the full PCN penalty, then go for it. If you win you pay nothing, and if you lose, you pay the PCN penalty, there are no additional costs at all.

As for the contravention itself, your GSV link shows an advance warning sign on your approach, and also, if one zooms in, one can just see the blue "buses only" sign at the street entrance. So I don't think one can argue on inadequacy of signage.

For some reason, GSV doesn't cover the actual roundabout at all. Maybe they're currently working on it !