Author Topic: Brent Borough - Entering and stopping in box junction Code : 31  (Read 1099 times)

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Hope everyone is well -

Clearly a blatant mistake but does anyone see any reasons for appeal on the PCN?

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Can’t really tell the exact location as I can’t really remember..

Help would be appreciated - thanks

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Re: Brent Borough - Entering and stopping in box junction Code : 31
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Can't see any obvious grounds to appeal based on the video.

The PCN was served more than 28 days after the contravention date - do you own the vehicle or is it hired/leased?

Re: Brent Borough - Entering and stopping in box junction Code : 31
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Can't see any obvious grounds to appeal based on the video.

The PCN was served more than 28 days after the contravention date - do you own the vehicle or is it hired/leased?

Vehicle is from a hire company

Re: Brent Borough - Entering and stopping in box junction Code : 31
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OK - that probably justifies the delay.

The only thing I can think of that might save you is if the council messed up the process by which to transfer the liability to you.

They will have served a PCN to the hiring firm in the first instance.  That firm then responds saying they aren't liable as you have signed a hiring agreement.  The council cancels their PCN and sends a new one to you.  Your PCN was deemed served on 18 March (2 business days after posting).  If the notice of cancellation to the hiring firm was dated on 17 February or earlier, then they are out of time (they get another 28 days to serve the new PCN on you).

So, you could get in touch with your hiring firm and ask them to forward to you the notice of cancellation to see what date it was effective.

Not sure how responsive they will be, so keep an eye on the clock as I can't see any other way of avoiding paying this so you don't want to miss the discount.

Others may think of something though...

Re: Brent Borough - Entering and stopping in box junction Code : 31
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Additional info.

This page on London Tribunals suggests that liability can only be transferred to you if your hire period is less than six months.

These are the only grounds - or reasons - on which you may appeal against a moving traffic Penalty Charge Notice. The contravention did not occur For example, there was no failure to comply with a ...
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Presumably yours is longer than this?

This isn't something I am very familiar with so you may wish to get input from someone who is.

Re: Brent Borough - Entering and stopping in box junction Code : 31
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Additional info.

This page on London Tribunals suggests that liability can only be transferred to you if your hire period is less than six months.

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/grounds-appeal/grounds-appeal-moving-traffic

Presumably yours is longer than this?

This isn't something I am very familiar with so you may wish to get input from someone who is.

The hire term for only a few days