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I got wind of another PCN issued to my old address through a DSAR to the council (infact all councils in London which I did last week and compiled a list of email addressed.

Location: Southwark
Contravention: 34j
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 10:56
Stage: Warrant Issued February 2024
Caught by: 593
Location: WALWORTH ROAD OPPOSITE HAMPTON STREET
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Looks like the bus lane markings are not being maintained, can barely see the bus lane marking as they are almost completed faded. According to google maps there is now a rather large road work patch across part of the bus lane

There is a tree directly in front of the sign blocking from a drivers point of view while in the road.

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@Hippocrates must be about somewhere.

Same cameras listed in this article
All the bus lanes in Southwark to watch out for as council issues over £1.1million in fines
Southwark Council has issued a staggering 17,160 bus lane fines to motorists in the last 12 months, raking in more
Southwark News · southwarknews.co.uk


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I am here in my beloved Kos actually but also with ftla and all members in spirit. So, what's the story? Their PCNs were changed in February this year only.

When I get back ITN News are going to speak with me. I'll drop you a PM.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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'Warrant issued to wrong address..'

OP, who cares about the rights and wrongs of PCNs and cameras?

A rather challenging question, but you're beyond reps and appeals procedurally unless you can legitimately submit an OOT SD so unless an extra-procedural opportunity is available??

But we wouldn't know because you've not told us. 
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Quote from: H C Andersen on June 27, 2024, 08:13:40 pm
'Warrant issued to wrong address..'

OP, who cares about the rights and wrongs of PCNs and cameras?

A rather challenging question, but you're beyond reps and appeals procedurally unless you can legitimately submit an OOT SD so unless an extra-procedural opportunity is available??

But we wouldn't know because you've not told us.

Hello Andersen, Yes I am still working on trying to find the receipt for that. I do have screenshots of the online address change portal not working. It would not recognise my current address on the licence and kept informing to me to apply via post
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Shall we break this down pl..at the moment the type of contravention is actually not the issue intra-procedurally.

An Order for Recovery was issued to you at XXX address giving you until 6 Jan 2004 to pay the penalty.

You didn't. Neither did you submit a Stat Dec to reset the process.

Why?

Because the council were using the 'wrong' address and therefore neither the CC nor OfR was received you.

Your only procedural option is to submit an OOT SD. But on what grounds? I didn't do it/the cameras were not whatever are not procedural grounds for TEC, they're appeal grounds for an adjudicator. 

We need a timeline.

If the bailiffs are at your door I recommend paying them because this caps your liability and in no way affects any OOT which you might submit.



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I have also sent Neil B a PM as he is the expert.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: H C Andersen on June 27, 2024, 08:48:43 pm
Your only procedural option is to submit an OOT SD. But on what grounds? I didn't do it/the cameras were not whatever are not procedural grounds for TEC, they're appeal grounds for an adjudicator. 

We need a timeline.
Agreed, @JunotheCorso we need to understand how the correspondence got to the wrong address in the first place. Have you moved house since 28 June 2022, when the last V5C was issued?
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Quote from: Hippocrates on June 28, 2024, 07:50:25 am
I have also sent Neil B a PM as he is the expert.
I'm no wiser than those that have responded.
I think the OP has an earlier thread which may explain the address problem?
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A question for others regarding procedure: as the Enforcement Agents are agents of the council then should an Enforcement Notice and a notice of the intention to seize property pursuant to a visit be captured by a SAR?
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Quote from: H C Andersen on July 01, 2024, 06:30:13 pm
A question for others regarding procedure: as the Enforcement Agents are agents of the council then should an Enforcement Notice and a notice of the intention to seize property pursuant to a visit be captured by a SAR?
If you want to make sure you get everything, just make one SAR to the council and another to the enforcement agents.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Quote from: cp8759 on June 30, 2024, 02:01:42 pm
Quote from: H C Andersen on June 27, 2024, 08:48:43 pm
Your only procedural option is to submit an OOT SD. But on what grounds? I didn't do it/the cameras were not whatever are not procedural grounds for TEC, they're appeal grounds for an adjudicator. 

We need a timeline.
Agreed, @JunotheCorso we need to understand how the correspondence got to the wrong address in the first place. Have you moved house since 28 June 2022, when the last V5C was issued?

Yes

I've found the scan of the letter that I sent via the post. Is there anything I can do to ask Royal Mail to see if they can have a look in their lost department?

I sent a V62 with with address change along with an old Logbook (prior address to this) Dated 04/03/2023 which was about 1-2 weeks after I moved out of the address on the warrant.



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