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Hi guys got served a PCN from Southwark council for contravention 32d, driving the wrong way on one-way street. I had driven off from Arnold estate and don't remember seeing any signs telling me I could not turn left, however I do see one on street view. In the evidence provided by the council I cannot see the same sign, seems like its covered by shrubbery or the crowd of people. Is there any way I can appeal this? I was delivering in the area so was not accustomed to these restrictions and made the mistake.

I would really appreciate any advice. Thank you.

PCN: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/b9c1x4utg28hv9839211v/IMG_1709.jpeg?rlkey=ewybdi9vr20al4ogaytnn9iyv&st=zmamr05w&dl=0

GSW: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4987531,-0.0730665,3a,75y,200.6h,81.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0xaJlVNEvWBy7eaH-YexDQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D8.219384778826239%26panoid%3D0xaJlVNEvWBy7eaH-YexDQ%26yaw%3D200.6036055429544!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkxMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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We've seen this location before, but I'm not sure what transpired. However, although you say you missed the arrow sign when you came to drive out of the Arnold Estate, the only way you could have got there was to enter Druid St from Abbey Street, and there are two one-way only signs as you turn in : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/gu8Tu1J9LUonLndi8

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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Go their website and screenshot the payment status page.

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-bus-lane-website/msg89554/#msg89554
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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We've seen people get caught out exiting the estate before.

If you drove in from Abbey Street as you should and then turned in and out of the estate there is a good chance the sign on the railway arches opposite could have been obscured and there is nothing on ehe estate exits to show a one-way street.

But where are directional signs you could have contravened further down Druid? At the next junction with Sweeney Crescent there are (or were) just banned left turn signs.

The video doesn't show a contravention in my view as it doesn't show you exiting the estate. 

« Last Edit: September 14, 2025, 03:43:36 pm by stamfordman »

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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You are correct I see them now. I must've forgot or not seen them when I was there. I was delivering parcels and, as an act of habit, as soon as I delivered I set the route to the next stop and followed the route brainlessly thus ending up driving the wrong way down the street @Incandescent

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Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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Dear @stamfordman

I am pretty sure I did not go down through Sweeney Crescent as there is a banned left turn sign and clear markings on the road before turning too. I think they would've definitely included that in the evidence for the PCN as it thoroughly backs up their case, but they did not.

What would you advise I do?

Thank you for your time.

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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I am pretty sure I did not go down through Sweeney Crescent as there is a banned left turn sign and clear markings on the road before turning too. I think they would've definitely included that in the evidence for the PCN as it thoroughly backs up their case, but they did not.

What would you advise I do?

Yes I know what you did. My point is that had you come from Sweeney Crescent the video doesn't show you not obeying a directional arrow you could have seen.

It's tricky as you can't lie but you can play dumb and simply say:

I have viewed your video and I cannot see what directional blue arrow I should have seen and not obeyed coming from that direction. Please would you provide evidence or cancel the PCN.

Also be guided by Hippo if he has something on wordings.

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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It's possible to enter and exit the estate from Tanner Street. When exiting there is a Turn Left plus arrow road marking plus the upright sign opposite. I cannot see any road markings when exiting at Druid.

Or have I missed this?

Just as a driver could miss a solitary upright sign if obscured by a parked and/passing high-sided vehicle.

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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Dear

Thank you for your advice, I really appreciate your help. I will do that and wait for Hippo's input.

I have read a pervious thread for 32d on this same street, on this website, and the PCN was fatally flawed in that case, could that also apply to my case as I think I have the same wording in the second sentence under the evidence pictures.

« Last Edit: September 16, 2025, 05:32:35 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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Dear @Hippocrates

Just saw the PM, will not pay!

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But you must make reps as well.

By the way, are you the registered keeper of the vehicle?

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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Dear @H C Andersen,

Ahh I see, what points would you recommend I state in my reps?

Yes I am the registered keeper.

Thank you for your time and help mate.

Kind regards,
Ali

Re: Southwark 32d - Druid St & Abbey St
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On the issue of the contravention, I don't see that you've any hard evidence for a defence but you could put forward what you've said:

Turned right, didn't see any signs to the contrary;
When PCN received you looked at GSV and saw that there is a solitary traffic sign opposite the exit from the estate which could easily be obscured by parked or passing lorries which might explain why you did not see it.
You also looked at the other exit into Tanner Street where there is a clear 'Turn Left' road marking in addition the white arrow and 'One way' sign.
Had the council signed the exit into Druid as well as that into Tanner no-one could have made your mistake.

You would ask them to exercise discretion on this occasion and to look at bringing the Druid exit up to the standard of Tanner.