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Hi All,

As previously mentioned my wife received a PCN which wasn't challenged during the reduced 14 day period, when the Notice to Owner arrived I drafted a representation and sent to Greenwich prior to me know of this site.

The particulars of the representation and the rejection letter, along with images and a video are attached for perusal and comment.

CPZ entry sign not visible from the highway



Thanks in advance.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2025, 02:04:35 pm by IC3GB »

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Whebn the GSV van passed by in June the sign was visible :(
https://maps.app.goo.gl/uYkkpujrwjeaYeXn7

Could you post a GSV link to the parking spot, please.

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As previously mentioned
If  you have already started a thread, please get this transferred to that thread, as it's confusing to have two threads for the one PCN

Hi @Incandescent

I mentioned in my other thread relating to a YBJ that I would be starting this thread.

GSV opposite Lockington Appartments

https://maps.app.goo.gl/D84cycNfgNFg5xN6A

Did single yellow lines everywhere not arouse suspicion when parking?

OP, just set out the facts pl, they seem pretty straightforward.

I parked at ***** Gallions Road;
My approach to the location was via Peartree Way(northbound), then east along Bugsby's Way and south along Gallions;
I did not see any CPZ signs along this route;
The authority's claim in the NOR is:

You were parked in a controlled parking zone (CPZ) where loading and waiting restrictions are in place. Entry signs into the CPZ explain the restriction on driving, parking, loading and unloading inside the zone.

You have questioned the validity/position etc. of the signs which related to the controlled parking zone.

These have been checked and we believe that they are correct in line with the regulations and adequately placed for the purpose of enforcement.
While we have noted all you have said, this Council believes that the location is adequately lined and signed to alert motorists to the restriction.


There is NO objective evidence in the NOR nor on their website as to the location of these signs which, according to them, indicate 'waiting and loading restrictions inside the zone';

The objective evidence (GSV dated '2 months ago') is a pair of CPZ signs - https://maps.app.goo.gl/gNUbmSW8kU49c7SdA - situated on a ** mph dual carriageway. Using a clock face (with the signs' respective supports representing 12 and 6), the nearside sign is orientated approx. 10-4, but this is trumped by the offside sign which, as can be seen by the shadow cast on the associated plate, is set at 9 and 3 i.e. parallel to the *** mph dual carriageway.

Neither is clearly visible to drivers on the *** mph dual carriageway and neither refers to loading restrictions nor are any such markings placed within the zone, notwithstanding the authority's statement. I accept that the authority may have used this phrase generically, however, proper consideration of representations demands specifics, not generalities, based upon a thorough examination of the evidence.

I submit that, when set against the facts, the authority's response reflects a superficial investigation made without any attempt to examine the central issue, namely the condition and visibility of the signs in question which I assert were unreadable and did not meet the council's regulatory duty in this regard and I respectfully submit that my appeal should therefore be allowed.

I have also noted deficiencies in the NOR which I submit amount to procedural improprieties, namely the NOR does not:

'describe the form and manner in which an appeal to an adjudicator must be made, because it fails to advise of the adjudicator's power to register an appeal beyond the 28-day period (Appeal Regs. 6(6)(a)(iii) and 7(2)(b) refer) nor does it

'indicate the nature of an adjudicator’s power to award costs', Appeals Reg. 6(6)(a)(ii) refers;


To the extent that the above are referred to, this occurs only in the enclosed leaflet/guidance note which has been produced by the Tribunal to aid owners and which, I submit, does not substitute for correct and separated references to these important matters in the NOR itself, neither does the inclusion of this leaflet relieve the authority of its statutory duties in this regard.


OP, a bit long, but it's something to bounce around.

The bovinely stupid council put up two signs, but one of them is on the pavement on other side of the dual carriageway, where the traffic is passing in the opposite direction !
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pPwMx2MVdBNT4Bzk8

And now the one on the correct carriageway has been turned round so it's no longer visible. Looks a good argument to take to London Tribunals; a total failure of the council to meet their responsibilities in Regulation 18 (1)(a) and 18(1)(b) of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996

@John UK,

My wife was going to the dental practice on the corner of Gallions Road with our son, the intention was to drop him off and leave him with his brother and then park in the retail car park adjacent. Unfortunately the younger son became unwell whilst in the surgery resulting in the prolonged stay.   

@H C Andersen,

Thank you for the draft response, I'll wait to see what if any further comments are made by others.

@Incandescent I have another video of me standing at the CPZ entry sign which can be viewed here with a few more images attached taken on 14/07/25 showing the angle of the sign from the footway.

Thanks for all of your comments.

Why do you continue to ignore the second gateway CPZ sign??

Do you mean the sign on the opposite side of the carriageway, which I doubt that any driver would notice coming off of the roundabout and heading on the eastbound carriageway?

Do you mean the sign on the opposite side of the carriageway, which I doubt that any driver would notice coming off of the roundabout and heading on the eastbound carriageway?

Yes.


Coming off at the third exit on that roundabout even if you were in the outside lane of the carriageway, you would struggle to see the entry sign on the westbound carriageway. I only noticed it when I walked the route to take the pictures and shoot the video.

I think we're at cross-purposes.

I don't mean why did you, the driver, ignore, as in not see what was clear to be seen, I mean why do you as registered keeper ignoring the inadequacies of this sign in your reps and focus solely on the one on the left!
« Last Edit: August 27, 2025, 07:40:25 am by H C Andersen »

I think the case for inadequate and badly maintained signage is made out pretty strongly, so the OP needs to register an appeal at London Tribunals.

Thanks again to @H C Andersen for your kindly drafted argument to the adjudicator and @ Incandescent for your comments.

I have tinkered with the draft and I paste it below for comment before registering my appeal with London Tribunals, my last day to appeal being 15/09/2025 I believe.


Appeal to London Tribunals - PCN GR15616561

Primary Ground: Traffic Regulation Order not properly indicated by appropriate traffic signs

Summary of Case

I parked opposite 2 Gallions Road on 24/05/2025, approaching via Peartree Way (northbound), then east along Bugsby's Way and south along Gallions Road. No CPZ entry signs were visible from this approach route, constituting a fundamental breach of regulatory requirements.

Detailed Grounds for Appeal

1. INADEQUATE SIGNAGE - PRIMARY GROUND

Factual Position

The authority states in their NOR: "Entry signs into the CPZ explain the restriction... These have been checked and we believe that they are correct in line with the regulations and adequately placed for the purpose of enforcement."
However, objective evidence contradicts this assertion.

Evidence of Non-Compliance

Google Street View evidence (dated 2 months ago): https://maps.app.goo.gl/gNUbmSW8kU49c7SdA

Critical deficiencies identified:

•   Sign orientation failure: Using a clock face reference, the nearside sign faces approximately 10-4 position, while the offside sign (evidenced by shadow casting) is oriented 9-3, parallel to the dual carriageway
•   Visibility failure: Neither sign is clearly visible to drivers approaching on the 30mph dual carriageway
•   Regulatory non-compliance: Signs fail to meet TSRGD requirements for visibility and orientation

Legal Requirements Not Met

Under Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD):
•   Signs must be positioned to be "clearly visible" to approaching traffic
•   Signs must provide adequate advance warning of restrictions
•   Orientation must ensure maximum visibility to vehicles entering the zone

The authority has failed to discharge its burden of proving regulatory compliance.

2. ABSENCE OF LOADING RESTRICTION SIGNAGE

The authority claims: "loading and waiting restrictions are in place... Entry signs into the CPZ explain the restriction on driving, parking, loading and unloading inside the zone."

This is factually incorrect:

•   The CPZ signs do not refer to loading restrictions
•   No loading restriction markings are placed within the zone
•   Authority has provided no evidence of specific loading restriction signage

This represents either: a) Misstatement of the restrictions actually in force, or
b) Inadequate signage for the restrictions claimed

3. AUTHORITY'S INVESTIGATION DEFICIENCIES

The NOR states: "These have been checked and we believe that they are correct in line with the regulations."

Evidence suggests no proper investigation occurred:

•   No site-specific assessment of sign visibility from my approach route
•   No consideration of sign orientation defects
•   Generic response without addressing specific technical failures raised
•   Failure to examine central issue of sign visibility and regulatory compliance

This constitutes a procedurally flawed decision based on inadequate investigation.

4. PROCEDURAL IMPROPRIETIES IN NOTICE OF REJECTION

The NOR fails to comply with Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) General Regulations 2007, Regulation 6(6)(a):

Specific Breaches:

1.   Failure to describe appeal procedures - No reference to adjudicator's power to register late appeals (Appeals Regs 6(6)(a)(iii) and 7(2)(b))
2.   Failure to indicate costs powers - No mention of adjudicator's power to award costs (Appeals Reg 6(6)(a)(ii))

Important Note: The inclusion of a generic tribunal leaflet does not substitute for specific statutory requirements in the NOR itself, nor does it relieve the authority of its regulatory duties under the 2007 Regulations.

Authority's Burden of Proof Not Discharged

The authority must prove:

1.   Adequate signage was in place and visible from my approach route
2.   Regulatory compliance with TSRGD requirements
3.   Proper investigation of the specific concerns raised

None of these requirements have been satisfied.

Remedy Sought

I respectfully request that the adjudicator:

1.   Allow this appeal and direct cancellation of PCN GR15616561
2.   Find that the traffic regulation order was not properly indicated by appropriate signs
3.   Find that the authority failed to properly investigate the representations made
4.   Consider costs given the procedural deficiencies and inadequate investigation by the authority

Supporting Evidence

•   Google Street View link demonstrating sign orientation defects
•   Photographic and video evidence of approach route

Conclusion

The fundamental principle that parking restrictions must be clearly and adequately signed has not been met. The objective evidence demonstrates that the CPZ signs are improperly oriented and neither are visible from the relevant approach route.

The authority's superficial investigation and procedurally defective NOR compound these substantive failings.

It is felt that this PCN is legally unenforceable and should be cancelled.

Thanks in advance.