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Hi Ivan,

As agreed, I post my case here.

I am writing to challenge the PCN that was issued on 14-May at Eltham. I usually park in a parking bay, on this occasion I parked as I did because I was helping my 71 year old mother could not walk very far and she needs me to park as close as possible to the shopping area. She has come to the UK to visit me for 6 months and recently had knee replacement surgery, she is in some pain while she recovers and she would find it very difficult if she had to walk a longer distance.
As I understand it she would not be eligible for a blue badge due to not being a UK resident, she will be applying for a disabled badge when she returns home.

Now I received the letter "Notice to Owner" today and please check and advise how to make representations.

Thank you,
Neil


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Please post a GSV (Google Street View) link to the location

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Here are attached photos

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The signs you show on photos are irrelevant, because you parked on double-yellow lines that need no sign as they apply 24x7.
 
So how long were you parked on these DYLs ? If you were merely dropping-off your mother to the shops, you are entitled to the board/alight exemption. Other than this all you can do is submit reps based on your narrative, that essentially ask for an indulgence.  I have to say, I don't think you'll find the council is receptive, but worth a try anyway.

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Please give us a summary of her mobility issues, and of what supporting evidence you can send to the council.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Please give us a summary of her mobility issues, and of what supporting evidence you can send to the council.

Hello,

I can provide photos of the scar of knee surgery and also the passport of my mom to show the age.
if needed, I can provide hospital letter but it will take time to provide and surgery was not taken in UK.

Would it help?

Thank you
Neil

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The signs you show on photos are irrelevant, because you parked on double-yellow lines that need no sign as they apply 24x7.
 
So how long were you parked on these DYLs ? If you were merely dropping-off your mother to the shops, you are entitled to the board/alight exemption. Other than this all you can do is submit reps based on your narrative, that essentially ask for an indulgence.  I have to say, I don't think you'll find the council is receptive, but worth a try anyway.

Hello,

It is about 30 mins. do you think I worth to try?

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I can provide photos of the scar of knee surgery and also the passport of my mom to show the age.
if needed, I can provide hospital letter but it will take time to provide and surgery was not taken in UK.
All of that would help and would be compelling evidence.

How much time do you need to get the hospital letter? Even if the letter is abroad, can't somebody just take a photo and send it to you on whatsapp or by email? You don't need the original.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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I can provide photos of the scar of knee surgery and also the passport of my mom to show the age.
if needed, I can provide hospital letter but it will take time to provide and surgery was not taken in UK.
All of that would help and would be compelling evidence.

How much time do you need to get the hospital letter? Even if the letter is abroad, can't somebody just take a photo and send it to you on whatsapp or by email? You don't need the original.

I will try to get it, at the same time, can you help to prepare the reps?

thank you

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You do need a lot of collateral to support staying on double-yellows for 30 minutes to claim the board/alight exemption, so do try to get supporting documents as cp8759 suggests.

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I can provide photos of the scar of knee surgery and also the passport of my mom to show the age.
if needed, I can provide hospital letter but it will take time to provide and surgery was not taken in UK.
All of that would help and would be compelling evidence.

How much time do you need to get the hospital letter? Even if the letter is abroad, can't somebody just take a photo and send it to you on whatsapp or by email? You don't need the original.

My mom is with me now nobody at home and will be back in the end of September but I only have less than 20 days to make the challenge

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I don't understand why someone back home can't take a photo of the letter and send it via whatsapp, email, whatever?
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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I don't understand why someone back home can't take a photo of the letter and send it via whatsapp, email, whatever?

Because no one at home of my home country. that is why...

Anyway, I am calling hospital and see if they can provide the letter by emails.

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Your deadline to make representations is 10 August, so you have a bit of time.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Your deadline to make representations is 10 August, so you have a bit of time.

finally I got the hospital letters with full details of surgery(date/time/doctor name/operation details etc), however, it was not written in English. do I need to translate in English myself, but with all professional words, it is hard to do it.

Please advise.

Thank you