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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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So, reading their rejection, de minimis is OK for them but not for you ! Make sure you ensure the adjudicator sees this.
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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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Ok. I will PM the OP now. Do nothing and follow my advice to the letter.
From the NOR: There is no requirement for the specific camera to be approved  ff = Totalissimo boleauxissimo.

In light of this NOR, I am considering changing my username to Aristophanes.  ;D

About time I met Mr Hoare again.  ;)  Formerly at Kingston.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2024, 07:50:56 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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Quote from: Incandescent on June 04, 2024, 05:12:08 pm
So, reading their rejection, de minimis is OK for them but not for you ! Make sure you ensure the adjudicator sees this.
As JEdgar used to say on pepipoo: the NOR is pants.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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Quote from: Hippocrates on June 04, 2024, 07:40:16 pm
About time I met Mr Hoare again.  ;)  Formerly at Kingston.
@Hippocrates I take it that's not adjudicator Hoare you're referring to?

Great chap, I was late at a hearing once but was very receptive to a technical argument, when the council officer complained that their paperwork had never been challenged his words were to the effect of "well, the tribunal exists to determine challenges. And one could say that if a car is parked 30 seconds after the start of a restriction before it is moved why does it matter, and the council might state that the regulations say it matters. Now the boot's on the other foot, Mr cp8759 has identified a procedural impropriety and the regulations say that it matters".

@Snudge88 follow Hippocrates's advice and you can't go wrong.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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No, the RBK person. Xed swords many times with him.

The game is on: 15th July. An interesting day as a costs hearing v Lambeth on the same day.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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Lambeth cases rescheduled. This one: evidence arrives a day late and no witness statement re camera.  ;D
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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@cp8759 Please be advised that the evidence must be provided 5 days before the hearing not 7 as you have stated. :o
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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Quote from: Hippocrates on July 10, 2024, 12:40:06 pm
@cp8759 Please be advised that the evidence must be provided 5 days before the hearing not 7 as you have stated. :o
@Hippocrates but paragraph 7(6) of Schedule 1 to the LLA 1996 says:

(6) Nothing in sub-paragraph (1) or (4) above makes a document admissible as evidence in proceedings under paragraph 6 above unless a copy of it has not less than 7 days before the hearing, been served on the appellant; and nothing in those paragraphs makes a document admissible as evidence of anything other than the matters shown on a record produced by a prescribed device if that person, not less than three days before the hearing or within such further time as the traffic adjudicator may in special circumstances allow, serves a notice on the enforcing authority requiring attendance at the hearing or trial of the person who signed the document.

Has there been an amendment I have missed?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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Possibly someone else has missed it!  ;D
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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Won.  ;D
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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Costs awarded. Decision tomorrow. Most satisfying.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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