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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2024, 05:12:08 pm »
So, reading their rejection, de minimis is OK for them but not for you ! Make sure you ensure the adjudicator sees this.
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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2024, 07:40:16 pm »
Ok. I will PM the OP now. Do nothing and follow my advice to the letter.
From the NOR: There is no requirement for the specific camera to be approved  ff = Totalissimo boleauxissimo.

In light of this NOR, I am considering changing my username to Aristophanes.  ;D

About time I met Mr Hoare again.  ;)  Formerly at Kingston.
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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2024, 07:51:54 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on June 04, 2024, 05:12:08 pm
So, reading their rejection, de minimis is OK for them but not for you ! Make sure you ensure the adjudicator sees this.
As JEdgar used to say on pepipoo: the NOR is pants.
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URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2024, 01:23:54 am »
Quote from: Hippocrates on June 04, 2024, 07:40:16 pm
About time I met Mr Hoare again.  ;)  Formerly at Kingston.
@Hippocrates I take it that's not adjudicator Hoare you're referring to?

Great chap, I was late at a hearing once but was very receptive to a technical argument, when the council officer complained that their paperwork had never been challenged his words were to the effect of "well, the tribunal exists to determine challenges. And one could say that if a car is parked 30 seconds after the start of a restriction before it is moved why does it matter, and the council might state that the regulations say it matters. Now the boot's on the other foot, Mr cp8759 has identified a procedural impropriety and the regulations say that it matters".

@Snudge88 follow Hippocrates's advice and you can't go wrong.
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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2024, 12:45:10 pm »
No, the RBK person. Xed swords many times with him.

The game is on: 15th July. An interesting day as a costs hearing v Lambeth on the same day.
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URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2024, 06:35:55 pm »
Lambeth cases rescheduled. This one: evidence arrives a day late and no witness statement re camera.  ;D
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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2024, 12:40:06 pm »
@cp8759 Please be advised that the evidence must be provided 5 days before the hearing not 7 as you have stated. :o
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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2024, 11:46:10 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on July 10, 2024, 12:40:06 pm
@cp8759 Please be advised that the evidence must be provided 5 days before the hearing not 7 as you have stated. :o
@Hippocrates but paragraph 7(6) of Schedule 1 to the LLA 1996 says:

(6) Nothing in sub-paragraph (1) or (4) above makes a document admissible as evidence in proceedings under paragraph 6 above unless a copy of it has not less than 7 days before the hearing, been served on the appellant; and nothing in those paragraphs makes a document admissible as evidence of anything other than the matters shown on a record produced by a prescribed device if that person, not less than three days before the hearing or within such further time as the traffic adjudicator may in special circumstances allow, serves a notice on the enforcing authority requiring attendance at the hearing or trial of the person who signed the document.

Has there been an amendment I have missed?
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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2024, 09:20:36 am »
Possibly someone else has missed it!  ;D
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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2024, 07:51:36 am »
Won.  ;D
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URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2024, 07:01:31 pm »
Costs awarded. Decision tomorrow. Most satisfying.
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URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

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Re: Royal Borough of Greenwich - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Charlton Church Lane/Barney Clos
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2024, 07:19:31 pm »
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