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You were parked on a SYL during restricted hours. No Stopping and No Waiting restrictions can co-exist, I'm afraid.

It is recommended that where a SYL is placed, even within a CPZ, upright sign(s) to this effect should also be placed. I can't see any, pl confirm if present.

Your car was stationary between the PCN. In which case you could submit reps under 'contravention did not occur' and/or 'penalty exceeded...etc.' for the second.

Thanks both - much appreciated.

So in terms of the second ticket, RT47646358, the informal challenge would be that the vehicle was in place for a continuous period, as evidenced by the overlapping observation time of this ticket and ticket RT44666836.


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The vehicle had already been issued with PCN RT44666836 for the same contravention, at the same location, only five minutes earlier.

PCN RT44666836 records an observation period of 11:45–11:51 and PCN RT47646358 records an observation period of 11:50–11:56. The observation periods overlap.

The vehicle had not moved between the two PCNs and remained in the same location throughout. There was no separate or intervening event that could justify the issue of a second duplicated PCN.
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In terms of the first ticket, RT44666836, the CPZ signage at all the possible entrances to the zone looks ok, which means that the yellow line is enforceable and doesn't necessary need further signage (unless I'm mistaken of course).

OP, you have a confusing way of expressing this!
 The vehicle had already been issued with PCN RT44666836 for the same contravention, at the same location, only five minutes earlier.


Perhaps:

PCNs ****** and ********

I am making informal representations against both the above PCNs which were issued at 11.46 on 4th Aug. and 11.51 on 5 Aug. respectively. As can be seen in the CEO's photos, the car was stationary continuously between these PCNs.

PCN *******
As regards this, the first PCN, I would argue that the contravention did not occur. Alternatively, to request that the authority exercise its discretion.

My error was in misunderstanding the meaning of what I now know was a single yellow line drawn through the no stopping prohibition whose restricted times were not those displayed on the no stopping upright sign. This was compounded by the council's failure to follow guidance in these situations which is that, even if, the restricted area is located within a CPZ, to place 'no waiting' traffic signs at the limits of the zig-zags to bring to motorists' attention and reinforce that waiting restrictions also apply.

PCN *****
As regards this PCN, although the waiting restriction is discontinuous my car did not move and I ask the authority to exercise discretion.

Some thoughts.

Get reps in within the 14-day window.

I'm an idiot - I've only just realised that those tickets are on different days.

OP, you have a confusing way of expressing this!
 The vehicle had already been issued with PCN RT44666836 for the same contravention, at the same location, only five minutes earlier.

I understand the confusion now!