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Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN
« on: June 27, 2023, 05:14:06 pm »
Hi,

This is a topic that is continuation of the one from PPP. Original thread: Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN

Summary
I've received an ULEZ PCN as I entered it without knowledge due to bad signage. I've submitted a representation on 18th of April and there was no response / action on TFL side for a long time (except email confirmation of reception of representation). The charging authority supposedly has up to 56 days to reply to representation so I assumed the case is closed as it expired around 13th of June (the link to regulations provided by Incandescent on PPP - thanks again). But...

Current situation
I've just checked the PCN again Today to look for any changes and surprisingly I see they rejected my representation and reset the discount Yesterday!
The status history is as below:

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26 June 2023
Rejected Representation - Discount Period Reset

TfL has rejected a representation received for this PCN. The discount period has been reset for a specific duration.
05 May 2023
On Hold: SUS26 - Representation Received

N/A
19 April 2023
Representation submitted Under review

N/A
18 April 2023
Email dispatched to: XYXY@gmail.com Subj Representation receipted

N/A
18 April 2023
On Hold: SUS26 - Representation Received

N/A

I have not received any post yet but I'm sure I will get it soon. I just wonder - maybe the regulations meaning is 56 working days? If not, how is it possible that TFL which is part of government has such a disregard for law?
I guess I have to wait for official rejection? Or maybe something can be done now?

BTW good job with a new forum!

Regards
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Re: Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2023, 12:18:58 pm »
If you ring up TFL, they might be able to email you a PDF copy of the rejection.

TFL disregard the law all the time, they do so because there's no consequences for them doing so. On the contrary, the more they ignore the law the more money motorists will hand over, because most people naively assume that a public authority would not act outside the law.
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Re: Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2023, 12:00:22 pm »
Hello again,

As expected I received the rejection from TFL Yesterday. I scanned all the documents and put them here: ULEZ TFL rep rejection scans

It looks like some standard template reply as they claim "there are two signs at this crossroads junction so that the signage will be positioned to be visible for all directions of travel affected". Thats of course a blatant lie.

I would appreciate some additionl help. Shall I do it online on londontribunals page or send everything by post? Seems like nothing can be added to evidence (except stating that 56 days reply limit was ignored by TFL) so I guess I should state that my previous evidence shall be used. Postal vs Personal?

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Re: Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2023, 12:16:30 pm »
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I would appreciate some additionl help. Shall I do it online on londontribunals page or send everything by post? Seems like nothing can be added to evidence (except stating that 56 days reply limit was ignored by TFL) so I guess I should state that my previous evidence shall be used. Postal vs Personal?

Always in person or telephone.

BUT wait for the experts here to chip in with sound advice before registering.


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Re: Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2023, 01:22:30 pm »
Would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?

I think their Notice of Rejection is wholly unreasonable and I think there's a chance of winning a costs order against TFL.
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Re: Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2023, 07:56:19 pm »
Hi cp8759,

Of course, I would greatly appreciate it if you could. Actually I was hoping you will ask me that question 8)

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Re: Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2023, 08:31:49 pm »
PM sent.
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Re: Richmond, Kew Green, ULEZ PCN
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2023, 10:27:15 am »
DNC'ed.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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