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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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Please send me their response.
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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 01, 2024, 11:28:03 am
Please send me their response.

I have not received any response yet. I will definitely share the response with you once I get any.
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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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Thanks. Sorry, I misunderstood. So, this means they are at least giving it due care and attention.  ::)
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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I have now received the NOR from the council.
NOR:
20240403 NOR AF98203157 redacted.pdf | Powered by Box
app.box.com


I noticed that the NOR letter is dated 03-Apr-2024. However, the "for Office use only" section of the London Tribunals form (last page of the NOR file) has a NOR date of 02-Apr-2024. Should this also be raised as an issue?

I have also attached a screenshot of the council's PCN page, it now shows 130 GBP as the due amount and shows the status as "Representation Rejected". Previously it was asking me to pay 195 GBP and had the status "Charge Certificate Posted".

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I believe the next step would be to file the online appeal at
London Tribunals
London Tribunals · londontribunals.gov.uk


Any other suggestions, please?

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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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The NOR statements about the dates are total bolleaux. I will e mail you nowish. Game on I believe.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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Ok. I am still here.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2024, 06:05:00 pm by Hippocrates »
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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So, does anybody have any other ideas how to fight this please?
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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NOR

Please note: - your representation was received after the Charge Certificate has been issued, however, the secretary of state allows all local authorities to use their discretion when accepting a late representation, we have on this occasion made the decision to use our discretion and we accepted your late representation. By accepting your late representation did not invalidate the legislative process of a Penalty Charge Notice.

My thoughts

1. All the legislation pertaining to decriminalised traffic enforcement is based around a sequence of actions. Each action must be completed within a specified time limit otherwise there are consequences. Any variation to one of these time limits has a knock-on effect to the subsequent action and it effectively destroys the overall framework of the legislation.

2. Prejudice is irrelevant etc.

3. Vague locus: cases plus

Young v Day [1959] EWHC 1 (Admin) (15 April 1959)
bailii.org


Please feel free to chip in.
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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A shorter (and less intimidating :)   ) link to the judgment
Young v Day [1959] EWHC 1 (Admin) (15 April 1959)
bailii.org
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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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All submitted in a most reasonable manner:  it is arguable that.  ;)
« Last Edit: May 30, 2024, 12:05:55 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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Quote from: John U.K. on May 29, 2024, 09:49:45 pm
A shorter (and less intimidating :)  ) link to the judgment
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/1959/1.html

This may have to be the last rabbit.
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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Quote from: Hippocrates on May 28, 2024, 10:28:22 pm
So, does anybody have any other ideas how to fight this please?
Well, has an appeal been filed?

If yes, has the council contested?
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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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Quote from: cp8759 on June 02, 2024, 10:26:21 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on May 28, 2024, 10:28:22 pm
So, does anybody have any other ideas how to fight this please?
Well, has an appeal been filed?

If yes, has the council contested?

Yes the appeal with London Tribunals was filed in April. The hearing is scheduled early next week (2nd week of Jun 2024).

The council has submitted their defence. (i.e. they are contesting it)

I am happy to provide specific sections of the evidence pack submitted by the council, though it is mostly a compilation of data already posted on this thread.
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Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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Quote from: zzzatang on June 03, 2024, 12:43:43 pm
Quote from: cp8759 on June 02, 2024, 10:26:21 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on May 28, 2024, 10:28:22 pm
So, does anybody have any other ideas how to fight this please?
Well, has an appeal been filed?

If yes, has the council contested?

Yes the appeal with London Tribunals was filed in April. The hearing is scheduled early next week (2nd week of Jun 2024).

The council has submitted their defence. (i.e. they are contesting it)

I am happy to provide specific sections of the evidence pack submitted by the council, though it is mostly a compilation of data already posted on this thread.

Please, I would rather do this privately, which I have done anyway.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2024, 01:43:13 pm by Hippocrates »
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge PCN, Code 31j Stopping in a box junction, Horns Road (A) / TFL, yellow box, near B&M
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@zzzatang as Hippocrates has taken the lead on this thread, I suggest you let him take over the conduct of the case. He'll be able to reschedule the case to a more convenient date so that submissions don't have to be rushed etc.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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