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Redbridge Council PCN for Wrong Car 1 Hour Free Parking
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Dear all,

Wondering if you can advise. My wife parked near Ilford Lane this afternoon and using the RingGo app registered for the 1 hour free parking - however for some reason she selected the wrong car for the parking - they're both VWs so she assumed she had selected the right car but sadly didn't double check before she walked away. Came back from her appointment to find a PCN affixed to the windscreen. Should we just pay up at 50% discount or is this worth appealing?

PCN can be viewed using the following link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10C3IRi21S2e2swx3f3K9KbRDY7VW6DWl?usp=drive_link

Thanks all.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2025, 01:50:52 pm by rsg444 »

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You need to post with public access.

Depending on the contravention and proof of stay it may be possible to have a go at this.
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Permissions updated, sorry about that.

Its under contravention code 11b which I'm not familiar with - maybe that should have been 11?

We also have proof of the RingGo Transaction for the other car at the same time. The other car is actually in for repairs and its the one my wife usually drives, hence the autopilot mode when booking the parking - I can maybe ask the body shop for proof of this fact too?
« Last Edit: May 28, 2025, 04:10:02 pm by rsg444 »

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You've blanked the PCN details.

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You've blanked the PCN details.

Sorry I didn't realise they were needed too, I've DM'd you the details. Will change the picture when I get back home this evening.

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I want to check the council's pics but they aren't up yet.

Code 11b means a business bay but I expect this is a mistake.

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St Lukes Ave is in a CPZ however there are parking bays - non business ones for the public to use provided they "pay by phone" according to the sign. Could the wrong contravention code be enough for an appeal?

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Council have now uploaded the pictures, I have re-uploaded the PCN too. The photos show that it is not a business bay.

I have a question, should the contravention code not be 12? St Luke's Avenue has signs on entry indicating that it is a CPZ and that "past this point" only permit holders may park. Underneath there's another sign that states "Except in Assigned Bays". As it is one hour free, there is no payment to be made therefore is the contravention "not having a valid virtual voucher?" or am I clutching at straws?

Redbridge's order states:


32(4): Where a vehicle, when first placed in a Parking Space, is exempt from payment of any Parking Charge by
virtue of the provisions of Articles 11(1)-11(5) or 11(7)-11(10) and continues to wait in that Parking
Space otherwise than in accordance with those provisions, the Parking Charge shall be treated as having
been incurred and to be payable at the time when the vehicle ceased to wait by virtue of those
provisions and all the provisions of this Order shall then apply accordingly.

So therefore my conclusion as a (lay person) is the contravention cannot be related to payment, is this right?
« Last Edit: May 29, 2025, 10:12:15 am by rsg444 »

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It's a permit parking area except in signed bays and this is a signed pay bay.

What is the session that was taken out - was it a free 1 hour and can you prove your wife was there for 1 hour or less.

Reason being we've seen appeals won on the ground that you can't have a contravention of not paying for something that is free.

Redbridge ought to consider a first time honest mistake in any case but councils are tending to play hardball these days.

The 11b isn't a winner on its own IMO but can be added.





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We have a screenshot of the RingGo session for the wrong car and hopefully still have dashcam footage of the car leaving within the hour (hopefully it is not overwritten) but there were still 23 minutes remaining for the free parking session.

My mum parked in a disabled bay once but forgot to display her blue badge, CP helped massively with the appeal, it went to tribunal as Redbridge refused to back down. The adjudicator refused to allow the appeal but recommended that Redbridge cancel it, they didn't.

Update: We still have the dashcam footage but the time is out by 30mins for some reason however despite this, the car being parked to the next footage of it being moved is well within 1 hour.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2025, 10:59:42 am by rsg444 »

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I'll do something later. No rush as it was only yesterday.
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I'll do something later. No rush as it was only yesterday.

Thank you

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I've been reading through other cases on the forum for similar alleged contraventions.

Should the code used actually be:

Code 06 Parked without clearly displaying a valid pay and display ticket or voucher
6? But then this isn't a Pay and Display bay so not sure it applies......

But, it can't be 11 (or 11b) because payment can't be made for something free. London councils confirms that b indicates a business bay - which this clearly isn't.
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OP, can I clarify some facts pl.

The sign states that payment is required. The tariff details are included in the lower, non-traffic, sign....but they're illegible.

What are these details?


IMO,

For info, a PCN is not required to include a code(notwithstanding a recent decision by an adjudicator..the regs are the regs!), but must state the grounds on which it is believed that a penalty is payable. Codes are not included in the Highway Code.

The penalty matches the contravention description, but...

..do the traffic sign and further details together give rise to the contravention description?

Won't know until what on the lower sign is clarified.

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Hi HCA, I had the same question for my wife. Luckily she had another appointment today in the same area and so has just sent me a picture of the mentioned sign. I have uploaded it to the following location:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G8vS73hIELhe4f0G3RoRLfyKIh3ApXfU/view?usp=drive_link
« Last Edit: May 29, 2025, 04:43:33 pm by rsg444 »