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Re: Redbridge - 53J - term time only sign
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Sorry - I meant the parking and traffic enforcement team at redbridge (parkingandtrafficenforcement@redbridge.gov.uk) for the missing evidence per @H C Andersen suggestion in #40.
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You should not be contacting the council. It is their job to adduce their evidence to prove their case. What advantage does this kind of strategy viz. to point out flaws in a council's evidence (which includes their case summary)  before a hearing?  ::)  Answer: NONE.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Noted. Thanks for pointing this out.
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@Hippocrates any further advice?
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Not really. I'll e mail you.
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge - 53J - term time only sign
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Each to their own.

IMO, the obvious advantage to my suggested course of action is to establish the basis of their claims. If you do challenge them at the hearing, then the adjudicator might adjourn, would you want this? If you don't, then IMO you do yourself no favours.

On being asked the questions, they might choose to not contest because there is no basis for the claims, see below.

The advantages are clear, but if this is to be taken off line then we won't be able to advise at the remaining intermediate stages.

From the Tribunal's Practice Direction No. 2 of 2024:

The appellant’s representations to the Authority and their Notice of Appeal, together with the Authority’s Case Summary, will be sufficient in most cases to enable the Adjudicator to decide the matter.
c. Parties should consider, and may be asked to justify, why their case has not been contained in the Notice of Appeal or case summary respectively.
d. A Skeleton Argument or additional representations must:
- be concise
- identify the statutory ground or grounds of appeal relied upon
- clearly and briefly outline the issues with reference to the relevant ground,
- include a chronology of the facts, if it would assist the Adjudicator
- be set out in numbered paragraphs with the use of headings where appropriate
- be cross referenced to any relevant documents
- not include extensive quotations from documents or extensive repetition of the
evidence
- include a list of the relevant authorities, if any, and identify those that assist and do not assist the party’s case
- 

And are the cited case numbers correct? If so, how does the authority think this bolsters their position?

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The Tribunal also states this in their scheduling letter:

All further evidence to be supplied 7 days before the hearing. This covers most laws.

One adjudicator asked me for opposing views in June which I provided.

I tend not to give previous decisions these days. Councils do not follow this anyway.

All adjudicators are their own. And most of them have dealt with the notorious issues.

My main point is this: surely, if a vital piece of information is missing e.g. Schedule in a TMO or anything else in a Bus Lane Case, surely it would be prejudicial to alert the council in advance?  All this can be raised at the hearing and the adjudicators I have experienced mostly continue.  Clearly, if I need to advance a new argument, I make sure it is adduced 7 days before the hearing and/or phone for a reschedule.

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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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For the record, i did get an email back from the council earlier this afternoon. They want "written authorisation from the Registered Keeper" to allow me to speak on their behalf (my wife is the registered keeper). At this point, I'll hold fire and won't respond.
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Please see my PM and I will deal with this.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge - 53J - term time only sign
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Quote from: bigred247 on December 05, 2025, 05:35:42 pm
Hi folks,
Just receieved the evidence pack from Redbridge council. It's about 26 pages so I have added a google drive link to the full doc below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HbOUJl-fjU3WG0PRouklIDC_ToF1HEHd/view?usp=sharing

Any thoughts on this?
I cannot access th4 case at all.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Sorted. The game is afoot.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Rescheduled to July.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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;D Signage plus killer FOIR.  2250453052
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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@Hippocrates

Thank you very much for representation and getting this one over the line

I have shared the adjudicator's decision below for the benefit of others.



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Adjudicator's Decision

The adjudicator, having considered the evidence submitted by the parties, has allowed the appeal.

The reasons for the adjudicator's decision are enclosed.

The adjudicator directs London Borough of Redbridge to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.

If any penalty or fees have already been paid, the Enforcement Authority must now issue a refund without
delay. Enquiries regarding payment of the refund should be made to the Enforcement Authority.

An independent tribunal for environment, parking and traffic penalty appeals
Environment and Traffic Adjudicators are supported by London Tribunals, a service provided by London Councils

Calls to London Tribunals will be recorded for training and quality purposes

Adjudicator's Reasons

1. This appeal relates to the issue of a PCN by Redbridge Council on 21 July 2025. It is alleged that, at
08:07 on 17 July 2025, the appellant’s vehicle failed to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone on Christchurch Road.

2. The matter was listed for a virtual hearing on 1 July 2026. [The appelants representative] appeared on behalf of the
appellant and addressed me. There was no appearance on the part of the enforcement authority but
they were not expected to attend. I reserved my decision.

3. I find that the signage was unclear. As the signage was unclear, I find that the restriction was not
adequately conveyed. As the restriction was not adequately conveyed, I find that the contravention
did not occur.

4. In a Freedom of Information response before me, Redbridge stated that: “Why was it altered? The text
“term-time only” has been covered up, as whilst the Council thought that it was being helpful to
drivers by including the phrase “term-time only” on signage, to reduce the number of PCNs issued,
drivers are telling us that it is causing confusion. Hence, it was covered over. There has been no change
to the enforcement regime. School Streets are just enforced during term-time only. Redbridge term
dates can be found at https://www.redbridge.gov.uk/schools/term-dates/.”

5. It is clear from the video evidence that there is a principal sign, setting out the restriction, and an
accompanying blue sign. I agree with the submission made at the hearing that the supplementary blue
sign, pertaining to the term dates, was confusing. I base this finding on the Freedom of Information
response set out above which indicates that such supplementary “term time only” information was
“covered up” as motorists indicated that it was “causing confusion.” I agree, and find, that such
supplementary information, as opposed to restriction, signage would cause confusion as a reasonable
motorist would not necessarily know what the term dates were.

6. I allow the appeal.



Richard Young
Adjudicator
1st July 2026
2250453052
AF2049861A
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I am tempted to apply for costs in light of the below and I invited them to do a DNC.


Dear James Bond

Freedom of Information Act 2000

Thank you for your request for information received on 16 April 2026

Request

Though not explicitly stated in your Freedom of Information Request, I assume that you are referring to
the removal of the wording “Term-time only” from the blue signage located at the entrance to a School
Streets zone.

1. How long had the old sign (attachment 1) been in place throughout the borough?

The blue signage (in some locations red signage) was installed at existing and subsequent School Streets
schemes from 17 October 2022.

2.At how many locations in the borough?

There were 7 existing School Streets schemes on 17 October 2022.
There are now 29 School Streets schemes across the Borough.

3.The income derived from the same? That is from their inception to the present day.

We can only provide income from School Streets from 01 May 2023.
For this period (01/05/23 to date) £7,967,566.91 has been received.

4.When was the new sign (attachment 2) introduced?

The wording “Term-time only” was taped over during the school summer holiday in 2025. It would have come
into effect on Monday 1 September 2025 when the Autumn term commenced.

5.At how many locations in the borough? (I assume this will equate to 2 above.)

At all School Streets locations.

6.Why was it altered?

The text “term-time only” has been covered up, as whilst the Council thought that it was being helpful to drivers
by including the phrase “term-time only” on signage, to reduce the number of PCNs issued, drivers are telling
us that it is causing confusion. Hence, it was covered over.
There has been no change to the enforcement regime. School Streets are just enforced during term-time only.

Redbridge term dates can be found at
School holidays and term dates
School term and holiday dates in Redbridge
redbridge.gov.uk
.

7.The income from the same? That is from their inception to the present day.

In this period £2,588,725.53 has been received.

007's response:

Dear Parking Services

I refer to the attached.

In light of its contents, I invite you to reimburse all recipients of PCNs with the illegal wording, including two of my clients due to perverse decisions by two adjudicators.

Should you not agree to do so, I shall be taking the matter further via an official complaint.

You know who I am and I take this matter very seriously.

If you are unable to deal with this, please forward it to the relevant department.

Yours faithfully

007

My real name is Trouble. Big Trouble.  ;D

I don't have a ticket re Redbridge so cannot take them to the High Court; but Ombudsman will do.
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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