Author Topic: Redbridge - 33J using restricted road - lease car (VWFS) - clements rd Ilford London  (Read 1718 times)

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Doesn’t that prove the procedural impropriety point? I worry that if it gets to tribunal and I have told them am the owner some adjudicators will just overlook the procedure and say I am liable since I am the owner in any case

In the meantime I have actually received from the lease company the actual letter they sent to the council to transfer liability.



Which simply confirms what I wrote.

And even IF they owned the vehicle and even IF there was a 'long lease' then the grounds of 'vehicle-hire firm' would not apply because a 'vehicle hire agreement' as defined is limited to a term of maximum 6 months, anything longer means these grounds are not permitted.

OP, back to basics.

ONLY the recipient of a NTO may make reps. This applies whether they're an absolute stranger to the matters because the authority have messed up their addresses or whether they are the RK as per DVLA. In this case, they're the RK but could rebut(sorry to get technical) the presumption that they were the 'person by whom the vehicle was kept', but NOT using their chosen grounds.

If they had done this intra-procedurally then the authority, acting intra-procedure, could issue a NTO to you.

But VWFS could not use their grounds; the authority could not accept; AND their power to issue a NTO to you does not arise. And as they had no power to issue your NTO, IMO it is void.

BUT, as with any 'recipient' of a NTO you MUST make reps to this effect otherwise by default you become liable for the, in this case improper, penalty. 


Yes agreed so I want to send a representation along the lines of below. I personally would rather not mention being the owner from 20 June 2025 etc. Unless it is somehow really a must.

I could probably get an email from VWFS confirming the last date of my lease agreement was 20 June 2025 too and attach that too

“Dead sir

I am not the lease holder of the vehicle ant the date of the alegend offence and my lease agreement regarding this vehicle with VWFS ended on 20 June 2025 (see attached lease agreement).

I understand from VWFS that they sent you a letter specifying that I had a one day lease with them with a start and end date of 22 June 2025 which is the date of the alleged offence. However this is false and no such agreement existed. The council should not have accepted this representation from VWFS to transfer liability to me without having sight of the actual hire / lease agreement.

Please therefore cancel the NTO issued in my name.
Regards”

I am not the lease holder of the vehicle on the date of the alleged offence and my lease agreement regarding this vehicle with VWFS ended on 20 June 2025 (see attached lease agreement). I would start with your second para.

I understand from VWFS that they sent you a letter specifying that I had a one day lease with them with a start and end date of 22 June 2025 which is the date of the alleged offence. However, this is false and no such agreement existed.(see my lease termination confirming an end date of 20 June). VWFS could not have provided a signed statement of liability because none existed and therefore the council could not cancel VWFS's NTO and I may not be considered the 'owner' for the purposes of the Act. It is therefore axiomatic that PCN NO. ***** issued to me is void, unenforceable and must be cancelled.

Should the authority think that my PCN is valid, then they must produce the statement of liability signed by me which applied on 22 June
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PS - pl change your thread title, this is simply a moving traffic contravention, not a bus lane.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2025, 06:56:44 am by John U.K. »

Thank you. Unfortunately it seems I can’t edit the opening post anymore but a moderator may kindly do it if they read this.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2025, 06:58:30 am by John U.K. »

The VWFS letter of 7 July 2025 is fatal to the council’s position because it discloses that the authority purported to act on a representation that did not fall within any of the permissible statutory grounds under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003. Section 6 of that Act permits the transfer of liability only in narrowly defined circumstances, one of which is where the recipient of the PCN is a vehicle hire firm and the vehicle was subject to a vehicle hiring agreement of not more than six months. Section 92 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, which is imported into the 2003 Act, defines a vehicle hiring agreement in strict terms. It must be a written agreement, signed by the hirer, for a fixed term not exceeding six months, and it must be accompanied by a signed statement of liability from the hirer. None of these statutory prerequisites were satisfied.

VWFS’ letter referred to a one-day lease commencing and terminating on 22 June 2025. Such an agreement is inconsistent with your evidence, which demonstrates that your lease expired on 20 June 2025 and that you had acquired title to the vehicle under a sales contract by that date. Even if VWFS had still owned the vehicle on 22 June, their assertion of a one-day lease is unsustainable in law, because it was not evidenced by the production of the written agreement required by statute, nor by a signed statement of liability from you as hirer. The authority, in accepting this representation and cancelling the PCN of 26 June issued to VWFS, acted outside their powers. The issue is not whether you were in fact the owner of the vehicle, but whether the statutory machinery was properly engaged to make you liable. It was not.

The concern that some adjudicators may adopt a pragmatic approach and focus on your ownership status is understandable, but legally misconceived. Liability in civil enforcement proceedings of this nature arises not by virtue of beneficial ownership but by operation of statute. The starting point is the registered keeper, subject to specific statutory exceptions. Unless the council can demonstrate that VWFS made representations on a permitted ground, supported by the requisite documentation, and that the PCN was lawfully cancelled on that basis, any subsequent PCN issued to you is a nullity. This is not a matter of discretion but of jurisdiction. The tribunal’s own decisions recognise that procedural impropriety or ultra vires conduct renders enforcement void: see for example Camden LBC v The Parking Adjudicator [2011] EWHC 295 (Admin), where it was emphasised that an authority must act strictly within the statutory framework.

The appropriate ground of representation is therefore that the penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case. The circumstances are that VWFS were not a hire firm within the meaning of the 2003 Act at the material time, the letter of 7 July 2025 does not satisfy the statutory requirements for transfer of liability, and the council had no power to issue a new PCN in your name. To reinforce this point, you may invite the authority to produce the signed hire agreement and statement of liability that section 66(4) requires. If they cannot, the only proper course is cancellation of the PCN.

Tactically, it is unnecessary and potentially distracting to argue about your status as owner. The strongest position is to deny liability as a matter of statutory procedure, supported by the documentary inconsistency in VWFS’ letter. If pressed, you may rely on your sales invoice and correspondence showing purchase on 20 June, but only to demonstrate that VWFS’ account is false, not to prove ownership as a ground of liability. If the council reject your representation and the matter proceeds to the tribunal, your case will rest on clear statutory footing: the authority had no jurisdiction to transfer liability to you and the PCN is void.

The most effective remedy is therefore to pursue cancellation on the procedural ground alone. This maximises your prospects because it compels the council to justify its decision within the strict confines of the statutory scheme, where its case is plainly defective.

I did not receive a reply but the ticket seems to not show any more on Redbridge's website and when i go to the view CCTV or pay pcn page it gives this message

"Sorry, we cannot find this ticket - please check the details you have provided are correct."

Hopefully case resolved - will update if anything further. Thank you for the help