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@RangerDangerX I think we can find something far more substantive than that. Please give us the PCN number and number plate so we can start by looking at the council evidence.

The location is here https://maps.app.goo.gl/3Bt64JZLGGYBPCkp8 and as google street view is out of date, it's really important we see the CCTV footage.

Thanks for helping me with the upload and finding the video!

I have also compiled evidence against them for my tribunal appeal.

Attaching images below for evidence.


I also appealed to them informally which they rejected.

This was my argument regarding the signage:

The signage related to the "no left turn" restriction on Warrington Road fails to meet the standards outlined in the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD 2016) and the Ministry of Transport Traffic Signs Manual.
Specifically, the sign's placement contravenes the guidelines stated in Section 5.11 of the Traffic Signs Manual, which mandates that signage must be positioned to ensure maximum visibility and legibility from a driver's approach. The current placement on the passenger side significantly diminishes its visibility, contrary to what is recommended for ensuring road users' compliance and safety.   

The sign is on a pole that is up against the walls of a house, roughly 6-7 feet away from the street, whereas other poles which are better situated are less than a foot away from the curb. As the road is quite tight and busy, there is a zebra crossing for pedestrians, and often one must give way to oncoming traffic, so attention is needed to maintain safety. The sign is outside the natural periphery of the eyes because of the distance of the pole from the curb. (EVIDENCE A)

Further exacerbating the issue is the obstruction of the "no left turn" sign by a house’s
hedge rendering it invisible / partially invisible from the required distances as stipulated in Section 5.2.2 of the Traffic Signs Manual. The bottom part of the sign is covered, so it is not clear to see what the hours are. This contravention of visibility requirements directly impacts the ability of road users to comply with traffic regulations.

Moreover, the presence of an unobstructed pole on the opposite curb, on the driver’s side, only a foot away from the curb, currently displays a ‘humps ahead’ sign, presents a missed opportunity for optimal sign placement. This pole is in the driver’s eyeline, and gives enough for a driver to change course, if the ‘no left turn’ sign was placed there. This oversight seems to disregard the advisory provisions of the Manual, particularly Section 5.2.3, which allows for alternate siting on the driver’s side if necessary. (EVIDENCE B)

Croydon Council is aware of optimising signs because oncoming traffic from Duppas Hill Road, has a clear unobstructed ‘no left turn’. In addition, the sign is angled towards the driver, which is not the same for the sign approaching from Waddon New Road. (EVIDENCE C)