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I would be grateful for assistance regarding the attached Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued by Hounslow Council for non-compliance with the prohibition on specific vehicle types (52JM). However, no evidence has been provided, and there are no accompanying images on their website. Are there any valid reasons to appeal this decision?

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Re: Failing to Comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles 52JM
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This is the second imageless PCN from HOunslow we have seen this week.

You may care to have a read of this thread.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hounslow-pcn-53jc-entering-pedestrian-zone-linkfield-rd-jw-kendall-rd/

As I said on that thread
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I'm not sure how they can enforce without video/photographic evidence - the experts here will know.

You could try ringing on Monday and asking for the video?

Aftar all, without the evidence you cannot even check it's your vehicle and not a clone.

I would follow the advice of CP in post Reply #3 on that thread.
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What signs do you remember that were passed?  I am asking because they may have issued the wrong code.  Was it the flying motorcycle sign?
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: Failing to Comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles 52JM
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I recall there were restrictions during school hours. These restrictions typically lasted until 15:45, and I drove after that time. However, the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) indicates i drove at 15:43.
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Let us all hold onto one thought: if this goes to the Tribunal, the council must provide a true copy of the original PCN.  So, I would let sleeping dogs lie.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Failing to Comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles 52JM
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The traffic order is The London Borough of Hounslow (School Streets) Order 2021 as amended by The London Borough of Hounslow (School Streets) (Amendment No.6) Order 2023.

The restriction is somewhere along here https://maps.app.goo.gl/Mst7njw9LopA59DF8 but google street view is out of date.

I'd go with the same representation I advised on the other thread, as John has already suggested:

Dear London Borough of Hounslow,

I challenge liability on the ground that the alleged contravention did not occur, if you maintain there was a contravention please would you provide evidence of the same.

Yours faithfully,

However what is your connection to the company? Is it a leased vehicle, is it a company that employs you, is it a company you own / are a director of?
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