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Hi, I was issued a penalty charge as apparently where doing some roadworks in streatham, was sunday monring at 09:31 and stopped to have a coffee in a parking that normally is 1 hour free Monday to Saturday and free on sundays. When I went to the coffee shop I was told I should move the van, as the parking is suspended, due to this I moved the Vain straight way, I must have stayed no more the 90 seconds to 2 minutes. But Apparently was a camera and they took a photo me and my 3 year old coming down from the van.
URL : https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn
PCN: GX2986437A
PLate : NU17GPF

Can I challenge this and if yes, in what grounds, Van is company Car.

this is first time for me using this page, so please if iam doing anything wrong, do help??

« Last Edit: October 11, 2025, 10:37:37 pm by Beni »

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Please see READ ME FIRST instructions and post links to the PCN, photo hosted externally, leave in everything pl so we can review the authority's photos(we'll need VRM and PCN no.).

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There are no pics online. Post the PCN hiding only name and address.


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no they are 2 pictures, for some reason i dont know how to attach them the screnshot i have done, but when i lo into the pcn i can see the images, so i dont know why you can not see them, i also did a screen shot on my pc, but i cant find an option to upload in here therefore i have converted them to an url

1 Image : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b2B_4aVCIzlA5v399069XXsiWu4TSGT3/view?usp=sharing

2 Image:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bW-46tlOXK8R917UkQ0lzK_cb-IvbKfl/view?usp=sharing

3 Image:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SjXwJzS-jdsh3ydhjsnJ8Zd2Rm4yLxHK/view?usp=sharing
« Last Edit: October 11, 2025, 10:47:14 pm by Beni »

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Yes I can see them now. I've blanked faces.

We can see suspension signs.



« Last Edit: October 11, 2025, 10:50:35 pm by stamfordman »

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SO normaly is a free parking and i missed that cem pletely, espicialy been sunday and everywhere free parking in the area, is there any chance to challenge this?? as honestly i have not seen the sign, i was told by the coffee shop barista that i  should move it as is suspended parking??

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Hang on a minute !  My copy of the The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Approved Devices, Charging Guidelines and General Provisions) (England) Regulations 2022 has thism in Regulation 11:

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Circumstances in which notification of a penalty charge for a parking contravention on a road in a civil enforcement area may be given otherwise than by fixing a notice to the vehicle
11.—(1) The circumstances specified for the purposes of regulations 9(4)(b) and 10(3)(b) are circumstances where the relevant vehicle is stationary on—

(a)a bus lane,

(b)a bus stop clearway or bus stand clearway,

(c)a carriageway outside a school entrance which is marked in accordance with diagram 1027.1 at item 10 in Part 4 of Schedule 7 to the Traffic Signs Regulations and indicated by the upright sign at item 10 in Part 3 of Schedule 4 to those Regulations,

(d)a red route, or

(e)a mandatory cycle lane which is additionally marked in accordance with any of the following diagrams referred to in Part 4 of Schedule 7 to the Traffic Signs Regulations—

(i)diagram 1018.1 at item 1;

(ii)diagram 1017 at item 2;

(iii)diagram 1020.1 at item 3;

(iv)diagram 1019 at item 4.

CCTV enforcement of a suspended parking bay is not on that list, so the PCN is void.

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can someone help please what should I write to them if I stand a chance to cancel this. Much appreciated for your help

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Van is company Car.

Before going any further, is the PCN actually addressed to you by name or simply been passed to you to deal with by your company?

Until we know what's what, IMO reps will have to wait I'm afraid.

Also, as this seems to be a local watering hole, pl take your own photos. For example, is the suspension sign still there? If so, we need to see the details. Also, do the signs totally obscure the regular red route traffic signs?

On which point, pl take photos of the preceding bus stop markings and traffic sign. The whole basis for using a camera is that this is on a red route, but I cannot see red route bus stop markings, perhaps it's my ipad.

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Thanks for the replies,

First is addressed to the company secretary Buildonly LTd, I'am the owener of that limited company, so Iam a builder and electrician, so I'am the solely owner of the company. The van is in the company name.

I have included a photo of the first page of the pcn, how they have addressed the pcn on this link : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PT8rMugZMEvi0P2Yzzvyi-CRUyzPzW1a/view?usp=sharing


Secondly it is not a redroute in there where I parked, is a free parking for 1 hour and the  car need to be moved every 2 hours,as they are plenty of shops and coffee shops, so no pay meter or redroute.

 

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According to Google Street View this is a Red Route and there are 2 signs.

Your photos would resolve.

Any reps would have to be made stating clearly that you are an officer of the company (sole Director if Companies House website is correct) authorised to make representations.

By the way, either your DVLA or Companies House address is incorrect, I suspect the latter which has '1st Nicholas.., not 1 St. Nicholas....).




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Thanks for the reply, I went today and took pictures, the signs are with wrong dates, as stated in the images with the url link taken today. and i can not see redroute. only the main plates that they say 1 hour free parking are covered with black bags.

Images

1: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17k4_QgAYlt7j4v1btyPVVFpoMNP7-Pph/view?usp=sharing

2: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-mN33mJ785Dj6hO-E7HEHot_gCyb4kbE/view?usp=sharing

3: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NDi9grZtmZ-y_BgIkmIer0hPDcluRZrO/view?usp=sharing

4: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qQkCLcL-bHTV7w1bmmC8hDLJHKdjImxs/view?usp=sharing

5: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qQkCLcL-bHTV7w1bmmC8hDLJHKdjImxs/view?usp=sharing

6: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X_fvdHQdNeCWTaWNvBWuDKrG9CMUy_xa/view?usp=sharing

7: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dCG6lWop_rVkBkHlVIpPxUMqU_enKHSu/view?usp=sharing


So all the dates in the signs are wrong , i dont know if that makes any difference, i can not see a read line on the floor, and the actual plate is hiden with a black plastic bag.