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Pedestrian zone restriction- Lewisham Borough
« on: July 29, 2024, 04:20:37 pm »
Hi there, please could I get assistance with the below.

As the owner of a vehicle I recently received this fine for allegedly failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone.  The hours observed are during school drop off/pick up times.  I have lived in the area for 10+ years and it does take some getting used to to remember to not use this road.

Because of a previous post I attempted to challenge this PCN which on this occasion was unsuccessful.

The fine in question is here:






My challenge to this can be seen here:



Their response to my challenge:








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The road signage here:





Any help would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Pedestrian zone restriction- Lewisham Borough
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2024, 03:41:03 pm »
can anyone help on this??

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Re: Pedestrian zone restriction- Lewisham Borough
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2024, 05:12:01 pm »
So,  having had your representations to the council rejected the next step is to either pay the amount they want, (discount re-offered), or register an appeal at London Tribunals.

Your representations to the council consists of a single sentence, "the contravention did not occur".  So why do you think the contravention did not occur ?

The latest GSV view of the location is February 2023, and the signs are not shown, so this restriction is newer. In the absence of any GSV view, we really need to see photos taken by you and the council.  The time of the alleged contravention is 08.44, well inside the morning restricted period than ends at 09.15.

However the video shows you seemingly reversing out of a property, or maybe making a 3-point turn, then driving past the signs, except that we can't see the sign you drove past, only a sign for the other direction.

So, the bottom line is we need to see the back of the signs in the video

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Re: Pedestrian zone restriction- Lewisham Borough
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2024, 09:52:06 pm »
Well, in the last couple of cases, when an appeal has been registered, they have messed up on their website by demanding £195 by such a date.


https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lewisham-52-m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-vehicles-leahurst-/msg27534/#msg27534
« Last Edit: August 01, 2024, 09:54:10 pm by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Pedestrian zone restriction- Lewisham Borough
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2024, 08:24:12 am »
So,  having had your representations to the council rejected the next step is to either pay the amount they want, (discount re-offered), or register an appeal at London Tribunals.

I'd like to appeal if you think theres a case here?

Your representations to the council consists of a single sentence, "the contravention did not occur".  So why do you think the contravention did not occur ?

To be honest, I had a similar PCN previously and they cancelled due to an error on their end..so was thinking that that may be the case again.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pedestrian-zone-restriction-lewisham-borough/msg31555/#msg31555

The latest GSV view of the location is February 2023, and the signs are not shown, so this restriction is newer. In the absence of any GSV view, we really need to see photos taken by you and the council.  The time of the alleged contravention is 08.44, well inside the morning restricted period than ends at 09.15.

However the video shows you seemingly reversing out of a property, or maybe making a 3-point turn, then driving past the signs, except that we can't see the sign you drove past, only a sign for the other direction.

So, the bottom line is we need to see the back of the signs in the video


The car in question is the black car which is behind the red one, do you still want pics of the back of the signs?

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Re: Pedestrian zone restriction- Lewisham Borough
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2024, 08:35:27 am »

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Re: Pedestrian zone restriction- Lewisham Borough
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2024, 11:36:47 am »
The NOR fails to mention the adjudicator can extend time. If you are going to appeal this, usual advice: contravention did not occur and full submissions will be filed upon receipt of the council's evidence pack. Personal hearing.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Pedestrian zone restriction- Lewisham Borough
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2024, 09:24:56 pm »
Contravention did not occur. NOT a Thursday.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι εἰ