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PCNs Lambeth Council - residents parking permit
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Hi all,

Got a strange one for you!

I have a residents parking permit for Lambeth Council in London and have done for some time with no issues.

I changed the number plate on my car (for the avoidance of doubt the exact same car, just a different number plate) from GK61 UUX to LO09 HAT.

I completed this change on 1 July and uploaded the evidence of the insurance schedule to the Lambeth site the same day. Lambeth accepts insurance schedules as evidence which is fine.

As I have moved houses previously and had no problem with uploading evidence etc I quickly forgot about it as I assumed everything was fine and did not receive any email notifications etc telling me something was wrong.

On 13 August I received a parking ticket and didn’t think anything was particularly wrong and thought a mistake may have been made but then I received a second one on 16 August. I immediately then appealed both of these tickets on the grounds that I have a valid residents parking permit. I logged into my account to check everything was okay and realised that my evidence had never been approved by the council and was sat in the “pending” stage. I have attached screenshots of my account.

However it looked like my parking permit was associated with 2 number plates – both GK61 UUX and LO09 HAT.

From 16 August to 23 August I received a subsequent 4 parking tickets, taking my total to 6.

I appealed all of the tickets and called the parking permit team to ask them to sort out my account so I did not receive any more tickets. I was asked to email them too which I did and have attached the correspondence where they apologise for their admin error.

2 of these have been cancelled after appeal, 1 was upheld but then cancelled because they realised they had given me 2 tickets within 24 hours without the car moving, with 3 upheld, meaning I have 3 cancelled tickets and 3 they are continuing with.

I believe in some cases the case has been looked at properly by a human as opposed to the standard computerised response as there are details in some of the letters I spoke to the council about and they added to my account. All the letters that they are upholding have slightly different language in them as you will see.

My question is what am I supposed to do here? Should I just pay the 3 tickets they are continuing with or wait for notice to owners/go through the statutory complaints procedure? Do cancelling 2 of the tickets effectively set a precedent for the other 3?

If you need any further information, please let me know and thank you in advance. I have only edited the attachments for the removal of my personal information which I do not believe to be relevant however the tickets relate to the street that I live on.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bK91VPiWpi4Ak_KxcZ5wY6RMNvR7R6Ws?usp=sharing

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Re: PCNs Lambeth Council - residents parking permit
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Also forgot to add that as a result of seeing this document on the forum https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q83jD8RT9Hm2AO5OP9TihE8U6HMA2kPi/view
2.169 in Section 36 suggests I may have a chance as "Officers should (as elsewhere) consider whether there are mitigating circumstances (such as undue delay by Lambeth in issuing the permit." But please tell me if you think I am wrong!

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What stage are the non-cancelled PCNs at.

Don't pay them - follow the process to a formal rep to notice to owner and if they still are silly go to the tribunal. They won't contest if the facts are the same as the cancelled ones.

It would help if you posted inline pics of key docs.

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What stage are the non-cancelled PCNs at.

Don't pay them - follow the process to a formal rep to notice to owner and if they still are silly go to the tribunal. They won't contest if the facts are the same as the cancelled ones.

It would help if you posted inline pics of key docs.

They are pre notice to owner, not sure if I have done this correctly but pics of PCNs are below

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OK, make a list of all the PCNs - dates, reason for cancelling, reason for not.

I can see they are saying you didn't provide the correct evidence but there seems to be some lag between the initial application change and the PCNs?

They seem to say they need the logbook but:

You will be asked to provide copies of the vehicle registration document (V5/C) or valid insurance schedule for your new vehicle, and you will need to wait for the evidence to be approved. Until the evidence is approved, you must ensure that the vehicle is legally parked by purchasing visitor vouchers or using pay by phone.


Note the 'or'.

Whatever they are being vindictive against a resident who seems to have played by the book.

Re: PCNs Lambeth Council - residents parking permit
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OK, make a list of all the PCNs - dates, reason for cancelling, reason for not.

I can see they are saying you didn't provide the correct evidence but there seems to be some lag between the initial application change and the PCNs?

They seem to say they need the logbook but:

You will be asked to provide copies of the vehicle registration document (V5/C) or valid insurance schedule for your new vehicle, and you will need to wait for the evidence to be approved. Until the evidence is approved, you must ensure that the vehicle is legally parked by purchasing visitor vouchers or using pay by phone.


Note the 'or'.

Whatever they are being vindictive against a resident who seems to have played by the book.

You are correct - approximately a 6 week lag to my first PCN which I find strange?

Re Insurance schedule I agree - in my mind I provided the valid evidence, never got an email or any communication to say I didn't so what more could I have done? My worry is with this "Until the evidence is approved, you must ensure that the vehicle is legally parked by purchasing visitor vouchers or using pay by phone".

PCN42 13/08/2024 - Not cancelled, need a permit and evidence was not approved.
PCN78 15/08/2024 - Cancelled, no reason given.
PCN98 20/08/2024 - Cancelled, no reason given.
PCN878 21/08/2024 - Not cancelled, need a permit and evidence was not approved. (Although this one includes an interesting paragraph I include below)
PCN25 22/08/2024 - Initially got a letter saying not cancelled, then cancelled as another one had been issued less than 24 hours before and the vehicle had not been moved.
PCN80 23/08/2024 - Not cancelled, need a permit and evidence was not approved.

In 878 the following wording is included which is not in 42 or 80 - The permit records suggest you applied for a change of vehicle on 24/06/2024 and supplied a copy of the insurance certificate on 01/07/2024, but the log book was not uploaded until 16/08/2024. We received a telephone call from you on 23/08/2024 regarding the change of vehicle and your permit for LO09HAT was approved on 27/08/2024."

That paragraph is all factually correct, when I applied for, and paid, the change of permit I did not upload the insurance schedule as I was staying with my parents at the time. I returned on 01/07/2024 and uploaded it that morning.

My position ultimately is this is a council error, I did everything that I could do and did not realise the evidence had not been approved. I had no problem with the platform before so never thought it would be an issue. Unless someone says I am being stupid/have a good chance of losing, I will continue to fight this one because I really do not believe I am responsible. I do not understand what else I could have done really!

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So three in play.

I would wait for NTOs and reference the ones cancelled for 15 and 20 August saying something like you understand these were probably cancelled because they were issued in error owing to the council's own fault with recognising my permit and you expect them to do the same with the others.

Would be my take but hopefully others will chip in.
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