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PCN XL96093869 - 31J Stopped in Junction Box - Crayford Way
« on: July 01, 2023, 03:34:33 pm »
Vehicle registration number VO70RSX
Penalty Charge Notice XL96093869
Date 26/04/2023
Time 05:57
Make VOLKSWAGEN
Colour White
Was seen in Crayford Way/Swaislands Drive, Crayford
Contravention Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited
(camera enforcement)

Hi,

Have been advised to post on here for help.
Received this recently (30/6/23) in the post dated 28/6/23 , and curious to know if there is any way shape or form to contest it. Having reviewed the highway code again it looks like its a tough ask, from my perspective its 05.57am (26/4/23) in the morning and I am following the Car infront in an area i do not know (i had just left my Hotel). They have breaked and stopped just before the line at the lights, which without conducting an emergency stop leaves me with no other alternative than to stop in the Grid. I would argue i am not obstructing the ability for vehicles to cross the Junction at all, but i am curious to hear the views from others.

Many thanks in advance,
Matt

Images, PCN and Video (too big to attach) from the PCN can be found at the link below on my one drive.

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AMfKXBwcrsvv5FI&id=F91309F1868DA043%2125329&cid=F91309F1868DA043
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Re: PCN XL96093869 - 31J Stopped in Junction Box - Crayford Way
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2023, 04:22:06 pm »
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Re: PCN XL96093869 - 31J Stopped in Junction Box - Crayford Way
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2023, 06:57:36 am »
Thank you John,

Unsure why it didn’t copy over, I can’t seem to edit my original post to change the link 

Appreciate you noticing that.
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Re: PCN XL96093869 - 31J Stopped in Junction Box - Crayford Way
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2023, 01:16:34 pm »
I can't see any argument based on the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rWYuAJfeWI

However the dates on the PCN open a possible avenue, is the vehicle hired or leased by any chance?

If so, you need to write to the lease or hire company as follows:

Dear Hire Company,

I am in receipt of PCN XL96093869 and I understand you asked the local authority to transfer liability to me. Having taken legal advice, I would like to know whether you have received any correspondence from the council after you requested liability to be transferred, and if you have I would like to request a copy. I need a copy of this documentation in order to pursue my appeal.

If you have not received any further communication from the local authority, please could you confirm this to me.

Many thanks,

If the vehicle isn't hired or leased let us know as that would be really, really easy.

The deadline to make representations and preserve the discount is 11 July 2023 so don't lose track of that, if you've not heard back from the lease company by the end of next week let us know and I'll give you a draft you can send to the council to buy some more time.
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Re: PCN XL96093869 - 31J Stopped in Junction Box - Crayford Way
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2023, 08:22:27 am »
Thanks CP, Yes it is Leased.

If you wouldnt mind giving me a draft to buy me sometime, i have written to the lease company , concious of the date.
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Re: PCN XL96093869 - 31J Stopped in Junction Box - Crayford Way
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2023, 10:23:08 am »
Send this on 13th to buy the most amount of time possible:

Dear London Borough of Bexley,

I dispute liability for PCN XL96093869 because I have never owned the vehicle concerned.

Yours faithfully
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Re: PCN XL96093869 - 31J Stopped in Junction Box - Crayford Way
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2023, 10:27:06 am »
Morning,

have had the below from the leasing company.

#############################
Good morning,

Thank you for contacting Volkswagen Financial Services.

In regards to the below, we received the original fine on the 10th May 2023 and sent representation to have the fine transferred into your name on the 16th May 2023.

After we've sent representation, we haven't received any further documentation.

Should you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us.

You can also find lots of information on our website at myvwfinance.vwfs.co.uk or please call our customer services team on 0330 100 8911, between 9am and 5pm Monday to Friday.

Kind regards,

#######################

Thoughts please :)
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Re: PCN XL96093869 - 31J Stopped in Junction Box - Crayford Way
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2023, 11:34:08 pm »
That makes things nice and easy, draft representation:

Dear London Borough of Bexley,

I challenge liability for PCN XL96093869 because I don't own and have never owned the vehicle concerned. The penalty charge notice is in any event out of time, and must therefore be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

Send this online and make sure to keep a screenshot of the confirmation screen.

The council will likely reject but it's an easy case to argue at the tribunal.
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