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Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #15 on: »
Talk about plenty of grounds: the PCN wrongly gives the payment deadlines from the date of service rather than the date of the contravention, and there's an 0870 number on the back of the PCN that opens the same avenue we used in Paul Bateman v Derbyshire County Council (DJ00037-2209, 10 November 2022).

For now I'd just go with DancingDad's suggestion.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #16 on: »
Thank you. I am just preparing my challenge as the notice to owner would be due after today. I’m just having a look at the traffic act at the points raised just so I know where they are for my own reference.

I can’t see to find “ Note that it's 6(6) which provides that:
(6) A person who contravenes .....a notice displayed under this section [6] shall be guilty of an offence”

Am I reading the document wrong?

Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #17 on: »
Am I reading the document wrong?
I'm not sure what document you're reading, but the reference to "(6) A person who contravenes .....a notice displayed under this section [6] shall be guilty of an offence" is a reference to the Essex Act 1987 which is here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1987/20/pdfs/ukla_19870020_en.pdf

As above, you should just use DancindDad's draft for now.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #18 on: »
Hi all,

Update on appeal:

I recieved my notice to owner and made a representation. Unsurprisingly it was rejected. I have attached my notice of rejection and my representation. Please let me know if i should resubmit the same to the tribunal or add.

Few points i took away from the rejection. 1 is it normal to reapply the discount period? admission of guilt in the hope i would pay? 2 - Did not address the poor sign conditions. Failed to comment on any of my photos. 3 although they comment a post was 10 meters away from my car, on the photo i sent of my drivers view, you can not see it as it blends into the tree trunk, and like i said i did not pass it. 4 - No comments to the points made about the essex act legal requirements

Please let me know your thoughts, thank you :)

Representation:
"I believe the penalty is unjust, and I kindly request a thorough review based on inadequate signage and a lack of proper notice. 

Upon entering Marine Avenue from Ronald Hill Grove, I parked approximately a quarter into the road outside number 53. At this point, I had not passed any signs advising me of any parking restrictions. I walked back towards Ronald Hill Grove to Westleigh School without encountering any signage that would indicate parking restrictions. It was only upon returning to my car 30 minutes later that I discovered the PCN. 

During my inspection of the road afterwards, I observed that the signs indicating parking restrictions began halfway down the road. Furthermore, several signs in the road were defaced and unreadable. Google street view shows these signs in the same defaced state two years ago, which demonstrates a consistent lack of upkeep and a failure to ensure the signs are clear. As per my understanding of the Essex Act, there were no signs upon entry to the road advising of any restrictions in place. I have attached photos as evidence to support these claims. 

In accordance with the Essex Act 1987, I would like to draw your attention to the following points: 

Section 6(6) states that a person who contravenes a notice displayed under this section shall be guilty of an offence. 

The Act defines 'notice' for the purposes of 6(6) as a traffic sign (Section 5(5)). 

Section 2 (Interpretation) defines a 'traffic sign' as having the meaning given by Section 64 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act. 

The relevant authority (Secretary of State) has made regulations under the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions, 2016, under which the only traffic sign permitted to convey the prohibition in the Essex Act is a circular sign with a red border incorporating the black image of a vehicle on a white background. 

The only sign in the vicinity of the location is shown in the enclosed photo. It does not meet the criteria of a 'Traffic Sign' as defined, and therefore, it is not a 'notice' as required. Consequently, the council has failed to sign the prohibition lawfully, and I believe the penalty charge should be revoked. 

Photo appendix: 

Photo 1 – Entrance to Marine Avenue that I used.  This photo shows there are no signs to indicate any restrictions on grass verges. 

Photo 2 – This photo shows another angle of the entrance to Marine Avenue, again there are no signs to indicate any restrictions on grass verges. 

Photo 3 – This photo shows my view/driver's view going down the road where I parked on the right at the telegraph pole, again no visible signs to indicate any restrictions on grass verges. 

Photo 4 & 5– This photo shows a signs further down the road that I did not pass. These signs has been completely defaced and is unreadable. 

In light of the inadequate signage and the council's failure to comply with legal requirements, the penalty charge should be revoked"


Photo of my drivers view: https://i.postimg.cc/RCG1qCrx/Photo-3.jpg

Notice of rejection 1:



Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #19 on: »

Register your appeal now.

Grounds:
Procedural impropriety;
Contravention did not occur.

Add ...further representations will be made once the authority's evidence has been reviewed.

Your appeal cannot withdraw your reps, they're part of the evidence. But what you can do is to draw out and emphasise the relevant issues and add matters which arise from their NOR.

We'll do this once you've registered your appeal.


Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #20 on: »
@mfarrell please do not register an appeal yet.

Assuming you want to appeal, first you need to decide if you'd like someone to represent you, which I'm happy to do. With the way the TPT portal works, if you register the appeal yourself there's no way for a representative to be added later on, so you'd be on your own all the way through.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #21 on: »
Let’s go for it! Happy for you to represent me. Is there a cost?
« Last Edit: November 27, 2023, 09:32:37 pm by mfarrell »

Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #22 on: »
PM sent.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN - Southend on sea. 64- Parking on grass verge.
« Reply #23 on: »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order