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Fer360cs

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PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« on: January 29, 2025, 03:49:54 pm »
First time I've created a new topic on this site. Please forgive me if it doesn't work.

This info may be useful information

The original topic was:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-hammersith-london-rivercourt-rd/msg53003/?topicseen#msg53003



Location
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GiL6pmwSTcFPJpF19

PCN
https://imgur.com/zMFCadw


Representation
https://imgur.com/5AKwd9O


Acceptance of representation
https://imgur.com/vSoWGbS
https://imgur.com/GsiXtaL
https://imgur.com/E2jNTCf

Thanks to  @Raj @Incandescent @John U.K. @HCAndersen for your help
« Last Edit: January 29, 2025, 04:17:11 pm by Fer360cs »

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Raj

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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2025, 04:00:22 pm »
so the PCN was quashed then?
well done! congratulations!
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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2025, 04:11:25 pm »
@Raj Yes thanks to the help from this forum.

I did notice they did not admit to anything though.

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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2025, 04:14:02 pm »
they offically cant on the letterhead as this could be used to sue them

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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2025, 04:17:45 pm »
As I try and comment on each H&F moving traffic case:
This council often cancels first time contraventions especially if you are accessing local people/facilities. There is no need to get too confrontational.
So good for H&F - probably alone in using discretion on being caught out first time in low-traffic schemes.

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2025, 04:24:26 pm »
The council has demonstrated good faith by canceling initial contraventions.

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2025, 04:30:03 pm »
Well done.

I wonder if the moderator could isolate and save page 2 of the NOA which is the clearest example of the signage issue I've seen to date and which could be used by others in their reps.

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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2025, 11:05:51 am »
Thanks for this. I just made an online representation under similar grounds.
This is not a legal advice or anything, if it helps others, the wording is below (I know #4 is not really ground for cancellation but it is specific to my case).
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I believe the PCN was unfairly issued due to the following reasons:

1. Inadequate and Insufficient Signage
There were no clear and visible advance warnings on the A4 before reaching the exit to indicate the prohibition. As a long-term user of this exit, I was unaware that recent restrictions had been put in place. Given that this exit has been unrestricted for years, the council should have ensured clear and noticeable advance warnings before the junction to allow drivers to take an alternative route safely.

2. Recent and Unexpected Changes to Restrictions
The prohibition was implemented during the Christmas period when I did not use this exit. This was my first time using it since the change, and I was unaware of the new restriction. The lack of prior warning to regular users of this route caused confusion and led to an inadvertent contravention.

3. Highway Safety Concerns
Upon exiting the A4, I was immediately presented with multiple signs at a location where it was unsafe to stop and read them properly. There are about 10 signs at that exit, speed restriction, parking restriction, 2 camera signs, 2 one way signs, lorry sign, lorry entry times and dates, road name.  The complexity of signage at the junction made it difficult to process the restriction in real time, particularly while navigating a busy exit.

4. Emergency Circumstances
On the day of the alleged contravention, I was responding to an urgent situation—picking up my wife from Hammersmith station as she had fallen ill. Given the urgency, my focus was on reaching her as soon as possible, and I did not anticipate the restriction due to the reasons stated above.

5. Alternative Actions Were Unsafe
Once committed to the exit, reversing back onto the A4 was not a lawful or safe option due to Highway Code Rules 200 and 201. The council’s restriction forces drivers into a situation where they must proceed, making enforcement in such cases unfair and unreasonable.

6. Request for Consideration
In light of the above, I respectfully request that this PCN be reviewed and cancelled. The lack of advance signage, the unexpected nature of the restriction, the complexity of signage at the exit, and the emergency nature of my journey all contributed to an unavoidable situation. I would appreciate if the council could exercise discretion and consider either cancelling the charge or providing further guidance on improving signage to prevent similar incidents in the future.


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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2025, 11:50:13 am »

I now received a successful cancellation of the PCN with above representation.

Thanks for all helped.

kind regards,

U
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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2025, 08:12:15 pm »
I received a Rivercourt Road PCN dated 13/02/2025 and responded 23.02.2025 with the attached reps. after reading your forum on this location.

Happy to say LB Hammersmith & Fulham saw reason and cancelled the PCN by letter of 11/03/2025 - many thanks to your website.

Peter

 
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John U.K.

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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2025, 08:31:43 pm »
@PeterSR

Well done  :)
Please could you post their letter cancelling the PCN.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2025, 09:56:08 pm »
From what I can see from now quite a few threads on this notoriously, (disgustingly !!!), badly implemented restriction, that H & F are giving way on all reps, but still are happy to collect the money from those who just cough-up. As most people do cough-up, they can put up with a few cancellations.

So far, I don't think this location has got as far as London Tribunals yet.

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2025, 01:08:00 pm »
to John@UK

please find attached letter of cancellation from LB h&f

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Re: PCN Rivercourt Road Hammersmith Successful Representation
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2025, 01:14:06 pm »
Hello everyone,

thanks to all those who made this forum, contributed and helped each other find the way to cancel This PCN. I am about to make my presentation, please let me know where i can find the photo of this sign that i need to attach with this appeal representation?

many thanks and regards
Hash

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