Author Topic: PCN Richmond upon Thames, 11U Parked with payment, Chislehurst Road (CPZ A2), pay by phone space  (Read 453 times)

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I find the instructions opaque. There is no such sign as 'A1 or A1 and A2 Pay and display' in the road and there's no plate on the non-existent payment machine.

But putting this to one side.


You were parked from at least 5.19, not 5.27.

I thought I had booked this and was surprised to get a PCN, but have found that it must not have gone through; signal is notoriously bad on this street and it often takes multiple attempts to get the app to load. I thought I had managed this time but clearly not.

IMO, you do not have a statutory defence based upon your account. The CEO was entitled to issue the PCN because you had not obtained parking rights as required, which you acknowledge.

Whether if you* carried on you could get them to revise their stance, perhaps providing further info from you side to substantiate trying to register, or even elicit a material procedural impropriety in a Notice of Rejection, no one knows. Carrying on to the NTO would involve the full penalty which they could still discount in any NOR, but it's at their discretion.


*- next stage is Notice to Owner to registered keeper. Is this you and are your DVLA details current?

I have emailed the council previously as this space used to be a pay and display with a ticket machine and option to pay by phone/Ringgo, with the signage you mention stating that it is A2, and it was changed to a pay by phone space with the machine removed a few years ago. The council communicated the change in space type, but not any change to how the permit hours would be affected, by letter to all residents. I then received a PCN for parking in the space at 6pm without payment, which I challenged on the basis that, as a previous pay and display space, the first and last hour each day were free for permit holders. The council responded admitting that this was also the case for pay by phone spaces and cancelled the charge. So I do have that in writing from the council that this space benefits from first and last hour free for permit holders.

Yes, I am the registered keeper.

Then my reading of the instructions was pretty accurate, they're opaque verging on indecipherable and not matched by on-street realities.

In your shoes, I would focus on a legitimate attempt to register for the residue of the half-hour (and you apologise if this was not successful) and that as you had an A2 permit on display in effect the penalty reflects a 3- minute gap between time of contravention and a period of free parking beginning at 5.30.

I would think about the tone of any formal reps if you decide to continue. You don't want to be faced with the full penalty.


Thanks very much for this. My informal rep was very polite and unassuming but that doesn't seem to have made a difference! I cannot access my Ringgo history for the time of the alleged contravention as it only goes back to April on my phone, but I have multiple screenshots of having done the same every day that I've had to park in pay and display rather than a permit bay. It doesn't make sense for me to not register for the free half hour so I do do it!

How would you form the formal rep to maximise chance of still being offered the reduced rate if unsuccessful? Is it ultimately pointless given that I was parked before 5:30pm without Ringgo having registered? I'm not sure I can prove any attempt to register my parking as they say there's no log of me attempting to on their end.

Bump for any further advice re: whether to continue and what to put in the formal rep if so. The council have extended the payment date on the basis that I did not see it due to it being marked as junk.

So you have no record of any sort that you made multiple attempts to pay and cannot factually counter the authority's statement in this regard. This wouldn't be a statutory defence anyway, but if you could show that the statement wasn't correct then this could tip the balance between them exercising discretion and not. But as it stands, I cannot think why they would change tack from not exercising discretion in response to formal reps.

But if they were to re-offer the discount, then what's to lose, perhaps you could even elicit a material procedural impropriety in any response.

This is the best I can offer except that any reps should be conciliatory in tone.


If you want to go on I would base it on a polite reminder that you are a resident and there was no disadvantage to the council and enforcing serves no traffic management purpose and only provides a penalty to the council.

There is statutory guidance that authorities should act fairly. Richmond cites this in its own enforcement policy.

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https://www.richmond.gov.uk/media/trcp3yjz/parking_enforcement_cancellation_protocol.pdf

Discretion

Mitigation is the primary factor in most informal or formal representations. The
Council has the discretion to cancel any PCN where it believes that the
circumstances warrant such an action. There will always be cases that do not
meet any of the standard criteria for cancellation where the circumstances are
such that the Council may choose to cancel the PCN anyway.
Under the general principles of UK Law, enforcement authorities have a duty
to act fairly and proportionately and are encouraged to exercise discretion
sensibly and reasonably and with due regard to the public interest.

Making a fair decision on cases does not require that all cases are treated
equally. It means that the individual circumstances of the case will be taken
into consideration.
The Council’s approach to the exercise of discretion is objective and without
regard to any financial interest in the penalty
or decisions that may have been
taken at an earlier stage in proceedings.

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Statutory guidance

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-enforcement-of-parking-contraventions/guidance-for-local-authorities-on-enforcing-parking-restrictions
« Last Edit: June 26, 2025, 02:03:01 pm by stamfordman »

Thank you, the enforcement policy is really useful. The table on page 34 gives some instances where they would exercise discretion and I feel that my situation is similar given that I can provide evidence that I hold the required permits and cards to have benefitted from free parking. There is really no reason for me to park there without using the 30 minutes free so it's clear to me that I wouldn't... I have also managed to find my Ringgo history and it shows me doing just that for the rest of that week (and for months before and after) so I wonder if including that would help.

I would also reiterate that attempts to set up a session were made in good faith and I expect you have previous records of successful sessions. If they force you to the tribunal, adjudicators can take that as more than mitigation based on testimony from an honest witness that there was a system glitch and not your fault.

Plus we have cases where not paying for something free has been ruled as nonsense.