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Re: Received TFL PCN on suspected private land at Gunnersbury avenue, W4
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2024, 02:13:50 pm »
@Barbudaprince you have until 24 January to make representations as the 28 days run from the date of service, which is two working days after the date of posting.

That being said Transport for London will reject anything you say, so there's no point in going into any detail. Just make a representation saying the alleged contravention did not occur.

You'll have to send a letter in the post (the website doesn't appear to allow an online representation for some reason) so I recommend you send it special delivery.
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Re: Received TFL PCN on suspected private land at Gunnersbury avenue, W4
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2024, 10:13:21 pm »
Quote from: cp8759 on January 22, 2024, 02:13:50 pm
@Barbudaprince you have until 24 January to make representations as the 28 days run from the date of service, which is two working days after the date of posting.

That being said Transport for London will reject anything you say, so there's no point in going into any detail. Just make a representation saying the alleged contravention did not occur.

You'll have to send a letter in the post (the website doesn't appear to allow an online representation for some reason) so I recommend you send it special delivery.

Done and have proof the representation was received at Red Routes on 24th January. Will await further correspondence before replying to this case.
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Re: Received TFL PCN on suspected private land at Gunnersbury avenue, W4
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2024, 11:58:06 am »
Hi again,

Received the attached formal response from TFL to my representation. They have rejected my challenge.

Some things in the letter I have noted:

They have misspelt Gunnersbury Avenue. I don't think this a procedural impropriety though reading other cases?

They have addressed the letter to me incorrectly by missing out the full street address number. It should be 560-564, they have put 560 only.

It says in the letter that 50% amount can be paid, is that £80 (half of the £160 outstanding balance  ) or is the £160 the 50% amount so full amount is £320?

What are the chance of a success in this case? Since speaking to someone at Hounslow Highways , and reviewing responses here, I have established that the online GIS ownership maps are  misleading, and therefore it is TFL highways land, and so my original representation to PCN is flawed.

I am happy to be represented by a third party if there is a chance of success. If I should pay this as chances are slim then let me know. Having undertaking the previous steps I am more minded to take that risk.
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Re: Received TFL PCN on suspected private land at Gunnersbury avenue, W4
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2024, 12:24:44 pm »
Well there's two points to be made here:

1) TFL has not reoffered the discount, so the penalty stays the same even if you appeal to the tribunal and lose, so there's nothing to be lost in carrying on.
2) The notice of rejection is confusing as your latest question illustrates, and we've won on this before, see these cases:

Nayeem Haque v Transport for London (2220767288, 15 November 2022)
Mike Welch v Transport for London (2230428700, 18 November 2023)
Lubavitch Synagogue v Transport for London (2230535074, 5 February 2024)

I'm going to drop you a PM.
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Re: Received TFL PCN on suspected private land at Gunnersbury avenue, W4
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2024, 01:00:29 pm »
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