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Re: PCN received in "club parking" bay
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Good afternoon, Stamfordman/H C Andersen... Apologies for the late response. I have been away for a week due other commitments. Please see my response to the council below, albeit a little longwinded.


To whom it may concern,

I make formal representations against PCN no. JK16745018, citing contravention 91: “Parked in a car park or area not designated for that class of vehicle.”
Southwark Councils case is that a penalty charge is payable for parking at the location. I argue that the PCN is not valid because the alleged contravention did not occur, and because the council has failed to establish that the bay is lawfully designated for “Car Club” use. My appeal is as follows:


1. Location and Contravention:
The councils own photographs show my vehicle adjacent to the carriageway marking “Club Parking.” I do not dispute this. However:
* “Club Parking” is not a prescribed traffic legend under The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD 2016).
* Paragraph 1 of Part 5 to Schedule 7 to the TSRGD confirms that only the prescribed markings may be used to indicate parking restrictions. In this case 'Club Parking' is not a prescribed marking in any event.

Therefore, even if this were an on-street bay, the road marking relied upon by the council carries no legal effect. It therefore follows that the council is offering no evidence that parking at the location without permission would leave the 'owner' liable to the penalty being demanded.


2. On-Street vs Off-Street:
The contravention cited, Code 91, applies to car parks and off-street areas. By issuing a PCN under this code, Southwark Council effectively concedes that the location is not part of the public highway but rather an off-street car park.
If so, then:
* The TSRGD markings cannot apply in law to off-street areas.
* An off-street car park requires a proper entrance sign or conditions board, making it clear to motorists that they are entering a regulated car park and subject to statutory enforcement. No such signage exists at this location.

Accordingly, there is no evidence before the adjudicator showing signage such as a board, informing motorists that they are in fact in a car park subject to specific conditions and statutory controls indicating that this location was designated or regulated as an off-street car park in which a contravention 91 could occur.


3. Lack of Designation:
For a contravention 91 to be enforceable, the council/authority must demonstrate that:
* The land is lawfully designated for car club use, and
* This designation is clearly conveyed by prescribed signage.
The authority has provided no evidence of any such designation, Traffic Order, or lawful signage. Instead, it relies solely on photographs of my vehicle next to the ambiguous wording “Club Parking,” which is meaningless in law.


4. Conclusion:
Southwark Council has not discharged its burden of proof. There is:
* No prescribed road marking,
* No upright sign,
* No evidence that the land is an off-street car park subject to enforceable conditions,
* No Traffic Order or other legal instrument establishing the bay as reserved for car club use.

Therefore, it is clear from the councils evidence and the Signs Regulations that their claim to a penalty is meritless and that the PCN is not payable and must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

Re: PCN received in "club parking" bay
« Reply #16 on: »
'This designation is clearly conveyed by prescribed signage.'

There is no prescribed signage for off-street car parks, so this is incorrect.

(for info, the enabling legislation here is the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 under which there are enabling powers given to the Secretary of State to make regulations prescribing signage for use on and off-street. The SoS has only availed himself of the on-street power - in the form of the Traffic Signs etc. Regs- but not those applicable to off-street, which is therefore subject to councils conveying their terms of use using other means e.g. noticeboards etc.)

Re: PCN received in "club parking" bay
« Reply #17 on: »
Far too long and we said to forget about on-street stuff...

This is simple - the council have not displayed any terms for parking in this off-street car park and an unsigned space marked club parking is meaningless.

As the adjudicator remarked in case 224053735A:
There is no evidence of signage such as a board, informing motorists that they are in fact in a car park subject to specific conditions and statutory controls.

Re: PCN received in "club parking" bay
« Reply #18 on: »
Hi H C Andersen and Stamfordman,


Thank you very much for a speedy response. I have reduced the long-winded appeal into a shorter one here:

To whom it may concern,

I make formal representations against PCN JK16745018, citing contravention 91: “Parked in a car park or area not designated for that class of vehicle.”


Southwark Council’s case is that the location was an off-street car park subject to restrictions. However, the Council has provided no evidence of any terms and conditions being displayed at the site.
The only marking visible is the wording “Club Parking” painted on the surface. This is meaningless in law and does not, on its own, convey any restriction. In an off-street car park, restrictions must be clearly set out on signage or a noticeboard, typically placed at the entrance, so that motorists are aware they are in a regulated car park and subject to statutory enforcement. No such signage exists at this location.


This exact point has been upheld before London Tribunals. In case 224053735A, the adjudicator observed:

There is no evidence of signage such as a board, informing motorists that they are in fact in a car park subject to specific conditions and statutory controls.”

The situation here is identical. Southwark Council’s evidence does not demonstrate that the site was subject to enforceable restrictions, nor that those restrictions were adequately conveyed.

Accordingly, the alleged contravention did not occur, and the PCN must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,



ALTERNATIVELY: I have consolidated both your responses from September 12th, which reads as follows:

To whom it may concern,

I make formal representations against PCN JK16745018, citing contravention 91: “Parked in a car park or area not designated for that class of vehicle.”

The authority is relying upon a PCN citing the contravention of 'Parked in a car park or area not designated for that class of vehicle'. The code descriptor '91' has also been used and therefore the authority's claim is that a penalty at the level mandated by the Mayor of London and London Councils is payable for parking at the location.

The authority's 6 photos show my car parked adjacent to the markings 'Club Parking' and this is not in dispute.

As the authority evidentially concedes that the location is not on a road, then even if the markings were prescribed under Regulations for on-road use only, they would have no effect in a car park. In this case 'Club Parking' is not a prescribed marking in any event(para. 1 of Part 5 to Schedule 7 to the Traffic Signs etc. Regulations refers).

It therefore follows that the authority is offering no evidence that parking at the location without permission would leave the 'owner' liable to the penalty being demanded.

Furthermore, the sign does not suggest that that the area subject to enforcement is in fact an off street car park. On a highway, all motorists must know the signs prescribed by the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD).This does not apply to an off street car park. There is no evidence of signage such as a board, informing motorists that they are in fact in a car park subject to specific conditions and statutory controls.

It is clear from the authority's evidence and the Signs Regulations that their claim to a penalty is meritless and that the PCN must be cancelled.



Happy to go with which you think is best. Many thanks again.

Re: PCN received in "club parking" bay
« Reply #19 on: »
Did you have an estate permit for this car?

I wouldn't worry too much as this is only round 2 of the challenge and they said nothing in the first rejection.

Re: PCN received in "club parking" bay
« Reply #20 on: »
Yes, I did have estate permit parking at the time I owned the car

Re: PCN received in "club parking" bay
« Reply #21 on: »
Goodmorning Stamfordman and H C Andersen,

I want to say a huge thank you for your time, advice and support in appealing my PCN. I do not take this for granted and your expertise has saved others and now me from greedy councils. I am pleased to update you that my PCN was cancelled.

For info, I used the text in the first wording in my post on 23rd September. I have today received an email from the council stating that they will cancel the PCN.

The response from the council is as follows:

Notice of Acceptance of Formal Representations

Dear xxx

We refer to the Formal Representations you have made against the issue of the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) JK16745018

We have examined the facts surrounding the issue of this PCN and taking into consideration the contents in your correspondence, I have decided to accept your representations and cancelled the Notice to Owner/Enforcement Notice/PCN.

Please be advised that the cancellation of this Penalty Charge Notice does not set precedent to any other PCNs which may be issued in similar circumstances, as each case is dealt with on its own merit.

No further action will be taken in this matter.


Thanks again to you both. :D