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Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
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Love it, if you scroll down on the link you provided you can download the Parking Enforcements and Appeals Policy which is the document which I linked to. I didn't think I went into the weeds to find an outdated policy! It's posted right on that page 😅.

Thanks for pulling all that information out, I took a deeper dive into Hereford Councils appeal stats. They only had 8 PCNs go to the Appeals Tribunal last year! I would have expected a chunk more than that if they have glaring issues with their PCNs.

I really appreciate the help from everyone with this.

Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
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Love it, if you scroll down on the link you provided you can download the Parking Enforcements and Appeals Policy which is the document which I linked to. I didn't think I went into the weeds to find an outdated policy! It's posted right on that page 😅.

Thanks for pulling all that information out, I took a deeper dive into Hereford Councils appeal stats. They only had 8 PCNs go to the Appeals Tribunal last year! I would have expected a chunk more than that if they have glaring issues with their PCNs.

I really appreciate the help from everyone with this.
Unfortunately most people just cough-up, either when they get the PCN, or when their informal reps are rejected; like about 95%, so the councils never get brought up short on their malpractices.

Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
« Reply #17 on: »
Received my informal appeal back - Rejected.

Do I have a strong enough case to wait for the NtO and take this all the way to the Traffic Tribunal?

Full PDF of appeal is attached, however here are the key points

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Thank you for your correspondence received on February 4 2024, concerning the above Penalty Charge
Notice. I have viewed your mitigation and the evidence of the Civil Enforcement Officer on the day in
question.
CONTRAVENTION
The Penalty Charge Notice was issued as you Parked in a parking place or area not designated for that
class of vehicle.

MITIGATION
I appreciate you feel that the Penalty Charge Notice was not issued correctly, this was not the case.
Only goods vehicles in the process of loading or unloading are permitted to use the bay. Any other vehicle
parked here is liable to be issued an immediate Penalty Charge Notice, even if loading or unloading is
taking place. The definition of a goods vehicle is one of construction and not of use. A lorry or a van is a
goods vehicle, a car is not. As your vehicle is not a goods vehicle, alternative parking should have been
sought from the outset.

At the time the Penalty Charge Notice was issued the vehicle was in close proximity of a post mounted sign
detailing the restriction in place, with bay markings advising that it was for loading only. It is the driver's
responsibility to check their parking location prior to leaving the vehicle parked.
Please see the photographs taken, they show the vehicle was parked in close proximity of a post mounted
sign detailing the restrictions in place. I can confirm at the time the Penalty Charge Notice was issued, the
vehicle was parked wholly in the good vehicle loading parking bay.

CHALLENGE DECISION
As the relevant signage was in place you have no grounds with which I can reconsider this Penalty Charge
Notice, therefore I have upheld the Penalty Charge Notice and rejected your challenge.
I will still accept the discounted amount of £35.00, provided payment is received within 14 days of the date
of this letter. Payment can be made by post to the address shown below making sure that the Penalty
Charge Number is included, by credit/debit card by telephoning (01432) 260200 in office hours or through
the Council’s website at http://www.herefordshire.gov.uk/pay/ at any time. If you are still in possession of
the original white Penalty Charge Notice you can also make a payment at any Post Office or any Pay Zone
outlet using the bar code provided on the Penalty Charge Notice.
Please Note: We will not accept any further correspondence over this matter at informal stage. However, if
you are the registered keeper of the vehicle, you may appeal formally. If you wish to do this then you need
to leave the Penalty Charge Notice unpaid and allow it to revert to the full amount. Once this has
happened, details of the registered keeper will be sought from the DVLA and a Notice to Owner will be sent
to this named person at the address provided by the DVLA. The registered keeper can make
representations which will be considered by this office. If the representations are rejected then an appeal
can be made with the Traffic Penalty Tribunal at this time. The Traffic Penalty Tribunal’s decision is final
and binding on both parties.

Informal Appeal Sent

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Dear Hereford Council,

I am appealing PCN: XXXX due to the PCN not including mandatory information defined within the Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) Regulations 2022. Not following the mandatory requirements is a procedural impropriety under the Traffic Management Act 2004 and therefor the PCN is required to be cancelled.

The PCN fails to meet Part 2, Chapter 1, Section 3 (1), Paragraph C. Below is the extract of this requirement for ease of reference.

"that if a notice to owner is served despite the representations mentioned in sub-paragraph (b), representations against the penalty charge must be made to the enforcement authority in the form and manner and at the time specified in the notice to owner."

As the PCN fails to meet the mandatory requirements I kindly request that this PCN is immediately canceled.



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Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
« Reply #18 on: »
So they have totally ignored your point about not following the regulations on PCN content. If it were me, I'd take the to the tribunal. If motorists must obey the law, so must councils, and the law is clear here.

Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
« Reply #19 on: »
Perfect, I will start drafting them up an appeal ready to.send when the NtO arrives.

Is there templated documents for this appeal or is it a case of building my own?

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There are no templates, but post up your draft here for review and if it needs tidying up, we'll suggest what alterations are needed. The basis of your response to an NtO is 'procedural impropriety', one of the statutory grounds in the Traffic Management Act 2004 under which your PCN was issued.


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« Reply #21 on: »
NtO Received - Images Attached






« Last Edit: March 29, 2024, 08:29:17 pm by FaintPanda »

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« Reply #22 on: »
Draft Formal Appeal - I would love some feedback on what should be modified here.

To Whom It May Concern,

I am writing to appeal the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued to me on 1st Feb 2024 for the contravention code "23 - Parked in a parking place or area not designated for that class of vehicle." I firmly believe that the PCN was unjustly issued due to procedural impropriety on the part of the Hereford Council.

During my informal appeal process, I explicitly brought to the attention of the Hereford Council the failure to adhere to the procedural requirements outlined in the Road Management Act 2004. Despite highlighting this crucial aspect and providing supporting evidence, the council failed to acknowledge or address this issue in their response to my informal appeal.

Furthermore, it has been demonstrated in previous cases that contravention code "23" has been successfully challenged due to motorists' lack of understanding regarding the class of vehicle designated for the parking space [Reference, A, B, C]. The PCN received only states that the vehicle was parked in a "Parking place or area not designated for that class of vehicle", the PCN does not contain any wording around what class of vehicles are permitted.

According to Part 2, Chapter 1, Section 3 (1), Paragraph C, [that if a notice to owner is served despite the representations mentioned in sub-paragraph (b), representations against the penalty charge must be made to the enforcement authority in the form and manner and at the time specified in the notice to owner]. However, the PCN which was issued fails to meet this requirement. This oversight on the part of the council constitutes a clear violation of the Road Management Act 2004 and undermines the fairness and legality of the PCN issued to me.

In light of the above, I kindly request that the Hereford Council review my appeal and withdraw the PCN issued to me. I trust that upon further examination of the facts presented, the council will acknowledge the procedural impropriety and rectify this matter accordingly.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to receiving a prompt response regarding the status of my appeal.

References:

A: Mary Harding v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames (2160271291, 26 July 2016) [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QtmX9lLTLTQx6uRa9NDzJvfXcJuhzylV]
B: Yuriy Myronovyh V The City Of Edinburgh Council (ED00154-2107, 04 October 2021) [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OUYGSdtOnnkZXwyyv3pZrXjhnyjMAMbe]
C: Robert Piatt v Manchester City Council (MC00876-2010, 15 October 2020) [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XqKhehvagEzi4MgvPQZEk65cZ2VuCDDg]

Yours sincerely,
« Last Edit: March 29, 2024, 08:44:44 pm by FaintPanda »

Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
« Reply #23 on: »
YOu are not "appealing", you are submitting "representations".Appeals are considered at the adjudicators at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. Councils hate being told their PCNs are non-compliant, so just ignore informal reps on this basis, thus forcing you to TPT. However I will be very interested in what their inevitable rejection letter says !

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Thanks for the feedback @Incandescent - I have tweaked some of the wording. Feedback is welcome.

To Whom It May Concern,

I am writing to challenge the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued to me on 1st Feb 2024 for the contravention code "23 - Parked in a parking place or area not designated for that class of vehicle." I firmly believe that the PCN was unjustly issued due to procedural impropriety on the part of the Hereford Council.

During my informal representation, I explicitly brought to the attention of Hereford Council the failure to adhere to the procedural requirements outlined in the Road Management Act 2004. Despite highlighting this crucial aspect and providing supporting evidence, the council failed to acknowledge or address this issue in their response to my informal challenge.

Furthermore, it has been demonstrated in previous cases that contravention code "23" has been successfully challenged due to motorists' lack of understanding regarding the class of vehicle designated for the parking space [Reference, A, B, C]. The PCN received only states that the vehicle was parked in a "Parking place or area not designated for that class of vehicle", the PCN does not contain any wording around what class of vehicles are permitted.

According to the Traffic Management Act (2004) Part 2, Chapter 1, Section 3 (1), Paragraph C [that if a notice to owner is served despite the representations mentioned in sub-paragraph (b), representations against the penalty charge must be made to the enforcement authority in the form and manner and at the time specified in the notice to owner]. However, the PCN which was issued fails to meet this requirement. This oversight on the part of the council constitutes a clear violation of the Road Management Act 2004 and undermines the fairness and legality of the PCN issued to me.

In light of the above, I kindly request that Hereford Council review the evidence and withdraw the PCN issued to me. I trust that upon further examination of the facts presented, the council will acknowledge the procedural impropriety and rectify this matter accordingly.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to receiving a prompt response.

References:

A: Mary Harding v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames (2160271291, 26 July 2016) [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QtmX9lLTLTQx6uRa9NDzJvfXcJuhzylV]
B: Yuriy Myronovyh V The City Of Edinburgh Council (ED00154-2107, 04 October 2021) [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OUYGSdtOnnkZXwyyv3pZrXjhnyjMAMbe]
C: Robert Piatt v Manchester City Council (MC00876-2010, 15 October 2020) [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XqKhehvagEzi4MgvPQZEk65cZ2VuCDDg]
« Last Edit: March 29, 2024, 09:38:51 pm by FaintPanda »

Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
« Reply #25 on: »
It is not the Road Management Act 2004, but the Traffic Management Act 2004, however the PCN is not compliant with the regulation that supports operation of the Act, so you should state this, not the TMA2004 -  The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022


These regulations are supported by Section 80 and 89 of the TMA 2004

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/18/section/80
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/18/section/89

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348232752/contents

In other words, the TMA 2004 gives powers to government ministers to introduce regulations related to the provisions contained in the Act.

So, delete all reference to the TMA 2004, and substitute with the title of the regulations.

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Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
« Reply #26 on: »
@FaintPanda that will do but please note it's not an appeal, it's a representation. When the council inevitably rejects, we'll help with the appeal to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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« Reply #27 on: »
Is it normal to have to post this off, rather than submit it online? No where does it say that there is an online option available, only post.

Re: PCN - Parking in Loading Bay - Hereford Council
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Some councils are still in the age of quill pens and wigs, I'm afraid.

On their website, one can challenge a PCN, but it seems only paper, pen, and ink, representations are permitted to submit formal representations.
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« Reply #29 on: »
Is it normal to have to post this off, rather than submit it online? No where does it say that there is an online option available, only post.
You can make representations here https://councilparking.org/herefordshire/Pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=FORMAL

Keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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