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PCN Newham / London
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Hello and sorry to bother you all this is my first time going through this and I have no idea what to do! After a bit of reading I hope I am doing it right!
So long story short I parked on a road with no signs on post or even markings on the road itself and I ended up with a fine! Was I in the wrong?

 PCN and my pictures
 https://imgpile.com/p/SaZLHC3

Location
When I used google maps to see the location I can see that there use to be the sign in the corner of the road, but as you can clearly see from my pictures because of roadworks everything was removed!
Thank you in advance!
« Last Edit: October 15, 2025, 10:58:03 pm by walex993 »

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Re: PCN Newham / London
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Newham has form in taking down these permit parking area signs and trying to enforce on the basis of being in a controlled parking zone - but there then must be signed parking bays.

If this PPA sign has gone and if the adjoining road is in a CPZ and hasn't been turned into a PPA then this is a win for you.

Be careful as Newham often tow cars to their pound.

Also the CPZ sign just nearby but Maps views are 2022 so can't be relied on.



« Last Edit: October 15, 2025, 11:18:46 pm by stamfordman »

Re: PCN Newham / London
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Thank you for your reply, as you can see from my pictures there were no signs or even bays to even see there is any parking restrictions in place, I did notice the street I was coming from was full of them and now when I was looking at the location on maps I saw the corner sign, but not on that day and since it was my first time ever over there didn`t even think about it! I don`t even now how to challenge it to be honest since I never encounter any of this before!

 

Re: PCN Newham / London
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I've checked the council's pics and there are just these two apart from pics of windscreen, so no parking signs.

The only way to be sure is to go back or get someone to take pics of road entrance and also the CPZ entrance which I think is the same.


Re: PCN Newham / London
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This is what I have from the day!

https://imgpile.com/p/KDNs8zv

Re: PCN Newham / London
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Dear Sir,
PCN No. ***********

I refer to the above which I found on returning to my vehicle on ****. I am making representations on the following grounds:

Contravention did not occur

My argument is based in the council's own evidence and I thank you for posting the CEO's clear and contemporaneous photos. These show:

My car parked on an unmarked length of street in ******.

In these circumstances the authority must cancel the PCN because neither the prescribed road markings nor traffic sign which are legally required to support such a demand are in evidence. But the fact remains that the CEO did issue the PCN and unless this was a totally frivolous and random act must presumably have had a reason, however misguided. Consequently, I have researched the issue and discovered that the only basis on which the authority could reject these representations is if the location sits within a Permit Parking Area, defined in the regulations as follows(Schedule 1 to the Traffic Signs etc. Regulations 2016 refers):


“permit parking area”
   
an area—
(a)
into which each entrance for vehicular traffic has been indicated by the sign provided for at item 5 of the sign table in Part 3 of Schedule 5; and

(b)
where any parking place within that area reserved for the use of the permit holders as indicated on that sign is not shown by markings on the road (whether or not an upright sign is placed next to, or near, such a parking place to indicate that only the permit holders in question may use the place)

I would agree that if the area has been so designated then the absence of road markings is lawful, indeed mandatory. However, this is a two-part test and the council must satisfy both limbs. I therefore refer you to the first condition:

into which each entrance for vehicular traffic has been indicated by the sign provided for at item 5 of the sign table in Part 3 of Schedule 5


You cannot dispute that there is no such sign in your evidence(Permit holders only parking past this point) which begs the question: why?

While I cannot answer the 'why', I can deal with whether such a sign was placed to indicate the restriction, if indeed such exists, and the answer is, no. I refer you to my photo of the entrance to ****** dated *****. An adjudicator would accept that my photo, albeit taken the day after the PCN was served, correctly shows the entrance to the road and that there is no traffic sign at all, let alone one indicating a Permit Parking Area, which explains why none is in evidence in the CEO's photos.

The council has failed to satisfy the mandatory requirements for such an area and therefore, even if one exists, contraventions predicated upon the presence of this sign cannot be committed and the PCN must be cancelled.

My research also revealed that the council occasionally uses the argument that a Controlled Parking Zone sign in some way substitutes for a Permit Parking Area sign. As you know, it does not (one only has to read the definitions in Schedule 1 to the Regulations to recognise this point) and I should therefore be grateful if the authority would resist any temptation to confuse the issue in such a way.

My thoughts.
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Re: PCN Newham / London
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Speechless,
Thank you very much, I will submit my appeal now! Will update on any scenarios!

Out of words, Thank you for taking the time!

Re: PCN Newham / London
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Hello,
As promised this is the update following the representation!

"
Thank you for your representations received on 16 October 2025, against the above
penalty charge notice (PCN). Your comments and the notes of the Civil Enforcement
Officer (CEO) have been considered.
You have stated that your vehicle was parked on an unmarked length of street in
Edward Court. You believe that, under these circumstances, the authority must
cancel the PCN, as there were no prescribed road markings or traffic signs in place
to support enforcement. You further stated that the evidence provided does not show
any signage indicating Permit holders only parking past this point.
Your comments have been noted, and we are writing in response to your recent
representation regarding the PCN issued to you for parking in a permit holder
only/shared use parking bay without a valid permit at Edward Court.
We have confirmed that the signage at the location was indeed missing at the time of
the contravention. Please note that this does not invalidate the restriction in place.
As this is your first contravention at this location, we have decided to cancel
the PCN as a gesture of goodwill.
"

Thank you very much for taking the time to help out!
Kind regards
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