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Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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The bay was created by The Newham (Disabled Persons) (Community Parking) (Special Parking Area) (No. 1) Order 2007, item 11 on page 16.

Article 13 is helpful:

13. The Council shall:-

(a) place and maintain traffic signs indicating the limits of each parking place referred to in Schedules 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7;

(b) place and maintain in or in the vicinity of each parking place referred to in Schedules 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, traffic signs indicating that such parking place may be used during the permitted hours for the leaving only of the vehicles specified in Article 4(1);

(c) carry out such other work as is reasonably required for the purposes of the satisfactory operation of a parking place.


I don't see how they have complied with Article 13(a), in any event I'll get hold of the PPA order. There is a distinct possibility they either accidentally or intentionally abolished the disabled residents bay.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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Hi there, thank you for your message.
Fingers crossed, a neighbour of mine fought for his ticket, parked in the same position and have and had the PCN cancelled due to no valid bay being present.
Edit: Despite me mentioning I'm not parked in the bay, they said I have parked in a bay near the bottom of the letter.

1.  Do you know on what basis your neighbour successfully challenged his PCN?  How did he demonstrate it wasn't a valid bay?

2.  When you say "Despite me mentioning I'm not parked in the bay"  are you questioning where Newham say you were parked, or are you saying that where you were parked isn't correctly signed as a disabled bay?
1) Yes my neighbours appeal was this: Dear Sir/madam,

I am appealing the PCN I have received on my car in regards to the alleged contravention 'Code 40 - Parked in a designated disabled person's parking place without displaying a valid disabled person's badge in the prescribed manner', which did not occur and so the ticket is invalid. I am challenging the ticket on the following grounds.

- There were no visual road markings:
For me to identify what part of the road if any had restrictions for Disabled badge holders, Newham Council should have road markings easily identifiable for motorists as shown with illustrations on page 37 of the Civil Enforcement Handbook issued by London Councils;
"Code description: Parked in a designated disabled person's parking place without displaying a valid disabled person's badge in the prescribed manner. Code contravention: The contravention occurs when a vehicle waits in a disabled person's parking place without displaying a valid disabled person's parking badge and/or clock". Without any road markings, it was not clear to be where the disabled bay was.

• Old faded road marking, Furthermore, upon closer inspection provided in the supporting evidence, you can see a very faint and faded bay which one can only assume was originally put down for disabled badge holders. This means that I was not parked in the designated parking bay for Disabled badge holders, and even if I were, since the road markings have faded away, this ticket cannot be enforced.

- Photographs provided by Newham Council do not prove I was parked within a Disabled bay - reviewing the photos attached to my PCN on the Council Website, it is not clear whether I was parked in mentioned disabled persons parking place. There are multiple pictures of my car with a PCN attached to it and general pictures of my car, without such evidence alleged contravention did not occur.

To summarise, since there are no road markings clearly visible to prove I was parked in the so called designated disabled's person's parking place and without any photographic evidence from the council, alleged Contravention code 40 does not exist in this case and so is not valid and so l ask Newham council to cancel this ticket.

2) I am saying that in the letter I received from the council, I have stated that I was not parked in a bay (Road Markings have faded away), they have said 'Notice was issued because your your vehicle was parked in a Bay' and 'By Parking in this bay '. But like I mentioned, I'm not parked in any disabled Bay. I have clearly stated to them that my vehicle is not in a Bay, they somehow are saying i'm in a disabled bay which makes no sense at all.
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Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
« Reply #17 on: »
Hi there, thank you all for the comments.
Newham updated signs for a further towards the building block as well as displaying a valid 'Disabled' road marking. Not on the PC at the moment but you'll be able to see it if you flick through the years. It will be the Bay closet towards building block.
Road entrance signs are still there for 'PN'.

Edit: Just checked the links provided, there is no valid order either for the disabled residents permit place bay here too (Same road but further ahead)

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« Last Edit: March 03, 2025, 03:22:46 pm by cp8759 »

I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are local.

Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos) of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so definitively.

No substantially compliant parking place markings = no contravention.

Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO restriction = no contravention.

Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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Here is The Newham (Plaistow North) (Disabled Resident Parking Places) (No. 2, 2017) (Amendment No. 4) Order 2022.

Any sign of the NTO yet?
Hi there, thank you for getting the TMO for me, I appreciate it a lot.
I unfortunately got a bit carried away and posted a formal appeal a day ago :-\. I've attached the file of what I've sent to the Council, let me know what you think.
OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are local.

Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos) of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so definitively.

No substantially compliant parking place markings = no contravention.

Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO restriction = no contravention.
Yes I agree with you. I went ahead with No parking place markings. I will later today show where I was parked, theres some cars currently parked at the location now.

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« Last Edit: March 29, 2025, 12:06:25 pm by Jay_Mandalia »

Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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Part of what you've submitted is misconceived (the CEO handbook has no legal weight whatsoever), but we are where we are.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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Part of what you've submitted is misconceived (the CEO handbook has no legal weight whatsoever), but we are where we are.
I understand. My fault for getting carried away.  :(
Here is The Newham (Plaistow North) (Disabled Resident Parking Places) (No. 2, 2017) (Amendment No. 4) Order 2022.

Any sign of the NTO yet?
Also I've realised something. It states ' Dongola Road West, the north side, from a point 3.5 metres west of a point opposite the
westernmost wall of Bemersyde Point, Dongola Road West westward for a distance of 2.4
metres and which has a width throughout of 4.3 metres. Special manner of parking 90° to the edge of the carriageway '.
Which I believe is referring to this bay https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZRNofGpB1nygRUNs5 . It mentions about 90 degree so i'm pretty sure they are referring to this bay. The sign does state permit holders only, but it has been changed in which I have attached a picture for reference of that sign (Do have to zoom in a little).

This is the closet thing that relates to where I've parked ' "THE NEWHAM (PLAISTOW NORTH) (DISABLED RESIDENT PARKING PLACES) (NO. 2, 2017) (AMENDMENT NO. 4) ORDER 2022". It mentions 'the north side of Dongola Road West, outside the Howard Baker Nursery'. However, I looked online and can't find anything relating to Howard Baker Nursery so technically like you mentioned this bay really doesn't exist then?

OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are local.

Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos) of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so definitively.

No substantially compliant parking place markings = no contravention.

Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO restriction = no contravention.
Sorry I'm aware you have requested not GSV photos but there are still some cars at the location so I provided a snip of the area from 2016 and added lines to show where I was parked. Not the best of picture, sorry.

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Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of my formal appeal.

Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of my formal appeal.

Please don't get ahead of yourself, you've not made an appeal, you've not even made a formal representation. Let us know when you receive the notice to owner and we will help you draft a formal representation. Please don't go it alone because if you do and it doesn't work out, it then may be too late for us to help.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of my formal appeal.

Please don't get ahead of yourself, you've not made an appeal, you've not even made a formal representation. Let us know when you receive the notice to owner and we will help you draft a formal representation. Please don't go it alone because if you do and it doesn't work out, it then may be too late for us to help.
I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter right?
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Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter right?

Right, I see what you mean, so you've made a formal representation and you're waiting for the notice of rejection. Let us know when you get it and we'll see what the options are.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter right?

Right, I see what you mean, so you've made a formal representation and you're waiting for the notice of rejection. Let us know when you get it and we'll see what the options are.
No worries, I will update here on the outcome as soon as I receive the letter. Thank you  :)

Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
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For later, the permit parking places are apparently implemented by The Newham (Prince Regent) (Parking Places) (No. 1) Order 2014. I'll ask for the amendment that turned it into a PPA.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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