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PCN Havering Code 53J Salisbury Road/Heath Park Road
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Hi

Please can someone help me regarding a PCN that I have just received and whether I should challenge it.

I turned right into Salisbury Road from Heath Park Road @ 2.41pm and did not notice the signs as they were set quite far back.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Heath+Park+Rd+%26+Salisbury+Rd,+Gidea+Park,+Romford+RM2+5XH/@51.577859,0.2049136,3a,83.2y,152.75h,83.67t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sv5wHV_n584nAquzvbvQYFA!2e0!5s20241001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.325707467127415%26panoid%3Dv5wHV_n584nAquzvbvQYFA%26yaw%3D152.74973645431993!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x47d8bb38a0c8b2c9:0xe9fa76824df4b31a!8m2!3d51.5778471!4d0.2049899!16s%2Fg%2F11gf3n37k5?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Here is the PCN
https://postimg.cc/gallery/phbvw6R

Here is a link to the sign just before the turning which I think is inadequate:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Heath+Park+Rd+%26+Salisbury+Rd,+Gidea+Park,+Romford+RM2+5XH/@51.5778399,0.2038871,3a,27.1y,79.62h,83.75t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sL0PRSGkZj_QPstQeYEHp_Q!2e0!5s20241001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.249242321257626%26panoid%3DL0PRSGkZj_QPstQeYEHp_Q%26yaw%3D79.61753608381368!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x47d8bb38a0c8b2c9:0xe9fa76824df4b31a!8m2!3d51.5778471!4d0.2049899!16s%2Fg%2F11gf3n37k5?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Any help would be appreciated
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Re: PCN Havering Code 53J Salisbury Road/Heath Park Road
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Please let me know if any other information is needed

Re: PCN London Borough of Havering Salisbury Road/Heath Park Road Code 53J
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Signs are set back, so I looked for advance warning signs.
GSV for October 2024 shows this totally inadequate sign that is really quite laughable in its uselessness, but it may have been replaced with a better one. This I doubt, however, because Havering are such a stupid and incompetent council. There is also the same sign coming from the other direction, (a left turn).
https://maps.app.goo.gl/arZpjqLnHxP3FuqY7
and
https://maps.app.goo.gl/5ARewvDowgt4WfoQ9

If you were making a right turn, the layout is against you because it is easy to see the signs due to the large expanse in front of the dark grey house, (isn't it awful !)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rdCojmPP4xnzeTPH7

So, for me, you have quite a strong case if you had turned left into the restriction, less so for your right turn. But the sign should damn them because how do you know what the start and finish time are, or the term dates. It's a nonsense. I would therefore take them all the way, and if you decide to submit representations, you can go all the way because Havering don't re-offer the discount when rejecting reps. However, it's your money, not mine.

Re: PCN Havering Code 53J Salisbury Road/Heath Park Road
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Thanks for the reply Incadescent.

Here is the link to the video of the contravention.



Is it true that to enforce a Code 53r PCN, the authority must show the vehicle actually passing the face of the sign during restricted hours.

The video only shows the rear of the sign after I have made the turn and not the front.

Can I contest the PCN as only the rear of the sign was shown in the video?

Re: PCN Havering Code 53J Salisbury Road/Heath Park Road
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Yes, you can submit reps on the basis that their evidence doesn't show you passing a restriction sign, but to test this, you'll have to take them to London Tribunals and see if they ****-up their evidence pack. Indeed, even if you include a critique of the ridiculous advance signs, you'll still end up at London Tribunals, because Havering don't re-offer the discount so anybody submitting reps should always take them to LT.

Re: PCN Havering Code 53J Salisbury Road/Heath Park Road
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I have used AI to write the following representation and would appreciate any advice or suggestions on this before I send this to Havering council:

Vehicle Registration: [Insert Registration]
Location: Salisbury Road
Grounds: The contravention did not occur / Procedural Impropriety.
To the London Borough of Havering,
I am formally challenging this PCN on the grounds that the evidence is legally insufficient and the signage at this location has already been ruled non-compliant by the London Tribunals.

1. Failure to Prove the Contravention (Inadequate CCTV)
The CCTV evidence provided fails to discharge the Council’s burden of proof. To enforce a Code 53r restriction, the Council must provide contemporaneous evidence of the vehicle passing the face of the mandatory entry sign.
The provided video shows only the rear of the sign after my vehicle has already completed the turn. Because the camera is positioned inside the zone looking back, it cannot verify that the entry sign was visible, legible, or unobstructed from a driver's perspective at the moment of entry. Case law (e.g., 2200010461) confirms that "back-of-the-sign" footage is insufficient to prove a contravention.

2. Non-Compliant Advance Signage (Case 2210317671)
The Council relies on an advance warning sign located 50 yards prior which states: "Cycle and pedestrian zone at school start and finish times in term time."
I bring to your attention Tribunal Case 2210317671 (Kelly v Havering) regarding this exact location. The Adjudicator ruled that this specific advance sign is non-compliant with TSRGD 2016 because "term time" is not a permitted variant and it fails to specify clear operational hours. The Adjudicator stated: "The advance warning sign was most certainly not compliant... I am at a loss as to why the Authority think that it can succeed."

3. Ambiguity of "Term Time" (Case 2210328077)
Furthermore, in Case 2210328077 (Grannell v Havering), the Adjudicator allowed the appeal because the Traffic Management Order (TMO) provides no definition of "term times." The Council has failed to provide evidence that the date of this alleged contravention fell within a legally defined term time. As a motorist, I cannot be expected to know school-specific holiday dates that are not clearly defined on compliant signage.

4. Conflicting Information
As noted by the Tribunal in the cases above, the advance signage and the entry signage at Salisbury Road are contradictory and confusing. This fails the statutory requirement to provide "adequate guidance" to motorists under the Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996.
Conclusion

Given that the CCTV only captures the rear of a sign that has already been adjudicated as legally defective, there is no basis for this PCN. Should the Council reject this representation, I will appeal to the London Tribunals and seek an order for costs on the grounds that the Council is acting unreasonably by pursuing a PCN based on signage it knows to be non-compliant.
Yours faithfully,
[Your Name]
[Your Address]