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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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The whole EN please. Providing dated Google images does not help their case.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #16 on: »
Here's a clip of the junction and route being driven that I've captured (in the dry, which is arguably a little clearer, but still awfully not very obvious)
« Last Edit: July 25, 2023, 09:17:50 pm by cp8759 »

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #17 on: »
The whole EN please. Providing dated Google images does not help their case.

Sorry the EN got jumbled in my upload of everything - EN pg2 is the 2nd image on this link https://imgur.com/a/4e8RRFt, and EN pg1 is the last image

For clarity:
Enforcement Notice page 1:



Enforcement Notice page 2:



Thank you!
« Last Edit: August 26, 2023, 07:25:39 pm by cp8759 »

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #18 on: »
Post a draft representation based on what can be seen in the video and we'll tidy it up for you.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #19 on: »
Here's what I've got so far.... feel free to correct / re-write / critique. It's just the first stab at it.



I write to you as the driver of the vehicle involved in the aforementioned contravention. I am challenging the aforementioned Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued on 28/04/2023, on the Broadway, due to several compelling reasons that question the validity of the charge itself.

Inadequate and Severely Worn Painted Road Markings
The bus lane markings at the site of the alleged contravention were severely faded and arguable ineffective due to their low visibility at the time of the alleged contravention. It is significant to note that road markings in and around the Broadway have undergone a repaint in May/June 2023, suggesting they were indeed unfit for purpose at the time the PCN was issued. Further reducing the visibility of the worn markings was the wet road surface, which resulted in any remaining contrast being observed as spotted patches on the asphalt.
It should also be known that there are numerous recent TFL Streetcare reports regarding faded bus lane markings that were promptly repainted within days of being reported, many of which were already far more visible than the one in question. The Highway Code requires that bus lane markings must be clearly visible and that they should be maintained in good condition. I believe that the markings in question did not meet these requirements.

Damaged and Redacted Bus Lane Signage
Secondly, whilst there have previously been two signs indicating the start of the bus lane, only one remains - and it has sustained damaged to an extent that makes it not clearly visible to oncoming vehicles. This ambiguity regarding the start of the bus lane, coupled with inadequate road markings, adds up to an overall lack of clear notification of the bus lane to drivers, which is essential for them to comply with the regulation.
I would strongly question why a 'Bus Lane' sign, which would have been the only sign visible to drivers waiting to merge onto the Broadway, has been removed and not replaced or repositioned, considering it would have been clearly visible whilst stationary at the traffic lights. There is otherwise no clear indication of an oncoming bus lane for the first or second vehicle at the traffic light whatsoever, as was the situation in this case. I make this reference following the images you’ve provided me of the junction from Google Images, dated 2021.

Google Images (2021)
Lastly, in your response containing Google Images (dated 2021), you've referenced two signs that you argue I should have seen. However:
• The blue bus lane sign you've highlighted is not visible to, or intended for, vehicles positioned at the junction where I was stationed. It is in fact angled almost 90 degrees away from my line of sight
• The 'End of Bus Lane' sign, located at the end of the bus lane, cannot realistically act as an advance warning of an oncoming bus lane

You further explain that the road markings, as per the Google Images (dated 2021), are sufficient. However,
• Whilst not as diminished in these historic snapshots as the current date, they are arguably below the standard required under the Highway Code

The road marking indicating that road users may use the left lane following the 'End of Bus Lane' sign has, as of the date of the alleged contravention, completely faded and is not visible at all whatsoever. It does not resemble an arrow, or a road marking for that matter. It is illegible.

I’d note that my points of appeal made have not been acknowledged in your response.

Given these circumstances, I believe the Penalty Charge Notice issued is unjust and request that you duly consider my appeal, given the overall lack of clear and proper signage and road marking, and cancel the PCN.

I look forward to your response at the earliest convenience.

Yours sincerely,
« Last Edit: August 02, 2023, 02:54:06 pm by GRYOUT »

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #20 on: »
Here's a clip of the junction and route being driven that I've captured (in the dry, which is arguably a little clearer, but still awfully not very obvious)
Can you put this video somewhere I can download it from? I want to try something new.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #21 on: »
Hey, I'm so sorry I only just saw your reply! Did you manage to download the video? If not, I'll upload it somewhere for you

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #22 on: »
Here's a clip of the junction and route being driven that I've captured (in the dry, which is arguably a little clearer, but still awfully not very obvious)
Can you put this video somewhere I can download it from? I want to try something new.

If you go to this link, you can download it:
https://www.savethevideo.com/vimeo-downloader?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F848343639

1) Click Start (the video URL should be loaded into the URL field already)
2) You might get some popup if you're in Chrome, just close it and continue on the first page
3) In the popup, select the Video quality you want to Download from the Download tab, and click Start Download..

3) If you want video with audio (it's just me driving, but you might want sound... then click Merge
4) Select the Video and Audio quality you wish to download - the tool will then download them and merge them remotely
5) When it's complete (should be about 20-30sec), you'll see a Download button where you can download the merged video

It essentially merges sound and video tracks to create a video with sound (assuming thats what you want). If you just want Video, then its much more straightforward - follow steps 1-3.

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #23 on: »
YOu're now no longer alone with this awful bus lane, a new thread has been started by 'coffeecake'. His approach to the bus lane may, of course, be different.

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #24 on: »
I will take a look at this lane personally soon.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #25 on: »
I received a very similar PCN at the same spot yesterday.
Post here - https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/merton-pcn-bl-the-broadway-wimbdg-queens/.



The markings are not visible and I am planning to put forward an appeal similar to yours. However have little hope as yours got rejected already. Any advice on changes I should make before submitting?



Many thanks

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #26 on: »
 ALmost ALL representations are rejected, because councils ruthlessly game the system, knowing that a refusal causes people to cough up. How can a council possibly give an unbiased decision, when they keep all the penalty money ? Even at the discounted rate, it's more or less equal to the full PCN penalty in the rest of the UK !

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #27 on: »
I have made enquiries about the camera's approval status.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #28 on: »
Thank you! Still no word from them following the formal rep.

Let's get them on this one. It's outrageous.

Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #29 on: »
I have made enquiries about the camera's approval status.
I found this web page whilst browsing; not sure if helpful or not https://www.merton.gov.uk/streets-parking-transport/parking/enforcement/camera-certification