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I received a reply following my appeal. They've sent back some Google Street view photos saying there are signs in place. It's not representative of the signage in view today though. Same can be said for the line markings.


Ironically they've also started to repain some of the extremely faded road markings!! Surely that's an admission that what's there today isn't fit for purpose?

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Road markings - clear or not clear?
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OP ---- if you have received a PCN it would be better to post it up and give us a GSV reference.

If you want to go it alone on inadequate signage that would be unfortunate given the depth of knowledge you will find on this site.

Mike

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OP already has a thread running on Pepipoo, with a lot more info. IMHO there is a strong case for taking them to London Tribunals. So if OP would like to cut and paste into here, it would help.


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Thanks all - yep I've been updating it all. I really just wanted to gauge (without prejudice to my case) whether or not people have a view on on the markings and signage.

Obviously you sharp folks have already put 2 and 2 together and found my other threads  ;D

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One thread per case, your threads have been merged.

Please post their rejection in full (not just the snippets you think are important), just redact your postal address.

Also post up exactly what you sent in the representations.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2023, 11:54:34 pm by cp8759 »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Received an updated 'Enforcement Notice' today for the full £130 amount.

They also mention that failing to pay may lead to a £195 Charge Certificate being issued.

So, what should be my next move here? They have details of how to challenge on the back of the notice.

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Start by showing us the enforcement notice please.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Start by showing us the enforcement notice please.

Have the Pepipoo uploads and information been brought over to this site yet, or do you operate as two independent websites?

Just wondering if I should pretty much start over and share everything from the beginning, or just continue as we are.

I've attached the notice; PII redacted as suggested.

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Could you get either a dashcam recording, or get a passenger to hold a phone while you take this route? That could make it open and shut. I also have a plan to get them on a failure to consider.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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I've actually already made a high res video of the route, from the drivers eye view too. The only difference being the road was much drier on the day I made the video, but otherwise it's pretty much what was in my line of vision.

I stuck my phone on the roof next to my head, angled eye-level to give a very comparable view of what I could see looking out the windscreen.

What's the best way to get this over to you? Youtube? I can put it on Google Drive too.

I also have a list of areas where I think they fall short (not just road markings, but signs that have subsequently been removed in recent years, or signs that were damaged on the day the contravention occurred). The reason I make reference to the missing sign, is because when sat at a red traffic light - which I had been on the day - there's no obvious signs indicating an active bus lane on the adjacent road. As I'd approached the junction, my eyes were obviously on the traffic light turning amber > red, so I missed the only other bus lane sign (which has been collided with and is bent). The bus lane sign that used to be visible to someone sitting at the red light has been taken down, meaning the only warning I had was a bent sign located behind me.

This is all before the the junction where all the faded bus lane lines and road markings are.
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Youtube has automatic integration on the forum, you just post the link and it appears as an embedded video.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2023, 10:32:00 pm by cp8759 »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Perfect. will get them uploaded this evening. Thank you
For what it's worth, I've re-uploaded every document they've sent my way here

The reason for the second rejection was because a part of me innocently believed they might have missed the key points I'd raised, as they didn't reference any of them in their response.. so I sent another appeal online; they promptly rejected that too.
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