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monz87

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PCN in box junction, Ilford Lane, Redbridge
« on: September 04, 2024, 08:19:08 pm »
  • PCN from London Borough of Redbridge
  • Entering or stopping in a box junction when prohibited (camera enforcement)


Hi guys,

is there any chance of appeal on this?

  • The contravention was on 30/06/2024, the later is dated 02/09/2024
  • On the website, there is only 2 images as below, no cctv footage. The image does not prove how long, if any duration, I was actually stopped on the box junction, nor does it demonstrate the circumstances as to what may have resulted me being there.
  • The actual image of the vehicle doesn't show the vehicle registration
  • The image that does show the registration, doesn't show any offence whatsoever, i.e. everything around it is black and nothing to show that registration is actually committing any offence, could be a totally different vehicle all together. Doesn't prove its part of this same offence

This is a long term rental vehicle, so it may have gone to the company who would have denounced responsibility, hence why it may have taken extra time to come to me with a delayed issue date. I haven't had any communication from them so not sure if it could have directly come to me anyway, even if not, is there grounds of appeal based on the contravention date and current issue date and the points raised above, or anything else for that matter?

Thanks

I uploaded photos but it said it was full, I put the images with the code but the photos were not showing so have just put the links below.
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Re: PCN in box junction
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2024, 08:40:31 pm »
As yellow box contraventions go this is pretty solid and shows you why we have yellow boxes... You did keep moving but had to stop.

There may be something in the processing and reissuing of the PCN.

Think we've see this Ilford Lane box a few times - possible vague location.

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Re: PCN in box junction
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2024, 08:57:27 pm »
Oh you found the footage lol, I didn't find it! Even so, it doesn't actually show the registration on the footage due to the lighting...?
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Re: PCN in box junction
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2024, 09:06:52 pm »
Quote from: monz87 on September 04, 2024, 08:57:27 pm
Oh you found the footage lol, I didn't find it! Even so, it doesn't actually show the registration on the footage due to the lighting...?

The camera has a setting that takes a still image showing the plate so that won't wash.

Add Ilford Lane, Redbridge to the title of your thread and see:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/2-in-one-day-help!/
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Re: PCN in box junction, Ilford Lane, Redbridge
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2024, 02:28:02 pm »
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088

1. Please follow my advice in this post.

2. Redbridge have a habit of sending off Charge Certificates so I would recommend making your formal representations close to but before the deadline. I have represented two members recently and they did the same, one of which was immediately won on that abuse of the statutory process.

3. Show us the agreement as there may be flaws.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2024, 02:30:22 pm by Hippocrates »
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Re: PCN in box junction, Ilford Lane, Redbridge
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2024, 02:36:04 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on September 05, 2024, 02:28:02 pm
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088

1. Please follow my advice in this post.

2. Redbridge have a habit of sending off Charge Certificates so I would recommend making your formal representations close to but before the deadline. I have represented two members recently and they did the same, one of which was immediately won on that abuse of the statutory process.

3. Show us the agreement as there may be flaws.
What is a charge certificate? Would it come after the 50% discount period? What is the actual abuse of statutory process which I could potentially appeal on?
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