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brutal_deluxe

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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2024, 05:00:58 am »
Quote from: cp8759 on October 26, 2024, 11:44:12 pm
@brutal_deluxe once you've given us the plate we can look up the photos on the council website. I'm more than happy to draft a representation for you.

Hi! Thank you! The full PCN can be seen here:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qZd1fgnUuNCyMYkV6

Thanks so much again. I believe I have 5 days to submit an appeal for the discounted period. If you don't think you can help or access any photos on the website do let me know. I've looked but can't find a way??

Many thanks again

BD

UPDATE**

I have found the portal at

https://www.councilparking.org/herefordshire/pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=NOTICEREVIEW   

But can't seem to view any photos without a 'Web Code' which should have been on the front of the PCN.

As I only have 5 more days then I may just appeal in my own words based on the fact there was no consideration for virtual tickets??

Sorry!
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2024, 08:38:59 am »
Post a readable version of the PCN...which means flat, in good light, at a decent angle etc. etc.

We need to be able to read every word clearly.

You have to help us to help you.
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2024, 08:51:46 am »
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2024, 08:59:30 am »
Quote from: stamfordman on October 30, 2024, 08:51:46 am

Thank you! Nice that it's made so easy for the average person isn't it  ::)

I'm going to formulate an appeal today and post it here before finally submitting it tomorrow. Thanks @stamfordman for being helpful!
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2024, 09:33:27 am »
And the PCN?
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2024, 09:50:53 am »
The front as posted is clear. OP needs to post the back.

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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2024, 10:02:38 am »
Thanks...and side 2 where all the essential mandatory details are contained pl.
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2024, 10:12:57 am »
Hi everyone, many thanks, back and link to gsv was posted in first comment  :D



https://photos.app.goo.gl/i45DoEg5Twk9Pjvj9
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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2024, 10:29:30 am »
It's out of focus!

The mandatory info to which I refer is, if missing, virtually a stone-cold winner at adjudication, so why not make the effort to enable us to check if it's there?
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2024, 11:24:09 am »
Quote from: H C Andersen on October 30, 2024, 10:29:30 am
It's out of focus!

The mandatory info to which I refer is, if missing, virtually a stone-cold winner at adjudication, so why not make the effort to enable us to check if it's there?

There is no mandatory info, just:

How to pay
How to challenge
What happens if not paid
Data protection
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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2024, 11:58:09 am »
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There is no mandatory info, just:

How to pay
How to challenge
What happens if not paid
Data protection

the headings you categorise as just is in fact the headings for the mandatory information - the 'small print' - which the law demands. Cases are frequently won because councils have made mistakes in or failed to adequately convey the required information under those headings.
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2024, 12:16:02 pm »
Quote from: John U.K. on October 30, 2024, 11:58:09 am
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There is no mandatory info, just:

How to pay
How to challenge
What happens if not paid
Data protection

the headings you categorise as just is in fact the headings for the mandatory information - the 'small print' - which the law demands. Cases are frequently won because councils have made mistakes in or failed to adequately convey the required information under those headings.

Hey John, thanks for the info! I have attached a photo of the reverse, are you able to shed any light on it given what I've disclosed so far about the situation?
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2024, 12:21:37 pm »
Quote from: brutal_deluxe on October 30, 2024, 12:16:02 pm

Hey John, thanks for the info! I have attached a photo of the reverse, are you able to shed any light on it given what I've disclosed so far about the situation?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/i45DoEg5Twk9Pjvj9

Wait for HCA to come along - he's an expert in 'small print'.

You must submit an online challenge of some description before 3rd - so Saturday at latest, best do it Friday. They will then re-offer discount if/when they reject. This gives you more time to decide whether to carry on, and if you do, work up really good reps at the next (NtO) stage.
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2024, 12:47:59 pm »
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Re: PCN - Herefordshire council. 5 mins grace??!
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2024, 01:16:14 pm »
@brutal_deluxe where did you eventually move the car to, and did you ever actually pay to park?

The warning mandated by regulation 3(1)(c) of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 seems to be missing from the back of the PCN, but I'd like to put more than just that in the representation.
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