3. PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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I note in the pic, the council have conveniently placed a bollard at the point the kerb stone is level with the carriageway. it's clear the car is not past that point.
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Evening all.. Just an update.. I got this through the post a few days ago.



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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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If  by "wings", they mean the sloping kerbstones, then they are wrong, the contravention only occurs when the vehicle is adjacent to the dropped section.  This has won appeals over the years, yet councils still bluff their way on this, knowing that most people then cough-up.
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Quote from: Saj_87 on February 18, 2025, 09:42:21 pm
Evening all.. Just an update.. I got this through the post a few days ago.



Bolleaux and a principal is not a principle. Wait for the NTO. They do not reoffer the discount - letter does not make this clear.
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Evening all.. I've been waiting for the Notice To Owner to arrive but I got this instead?
Any thoughts?

https://imgur.com/a/YTm0paY

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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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They've handed you victory on a plate.

IMO, write back to them and do not bother about following the procedural route..you could still do this if necessary, but let's cut to the chase.


PCN ******* 12 Nov. 2024

I refer to the above regulation 9 PCN issued to my car on 12 Nov. 2024.

I also refer you to your letter dated 9 January 2025 rejecting my informal representations.

I further refer you to your Charge Certificate issued on 18 March 2025 on the grounds that you had issued a Notice to Owner on 12 November 2024, the same day that you issued the PCN. 

For whatever reason, your notice procedures have failed and rather than wait for the Order for Recovery, Witness Statement, revocation order, NTO, formal representations and your cancellation of the PCN, either at this stage or on the subsequent direction of the adjudicator, I request that you cancel the PCN now.
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Quote from: H C Andersen on March 20, 2025, 11:19:35 pm
They've handed you victory on a plate.

IMO, write back to them and do not bother about following the procedural route..you could still do this if necessary, but let's cut to the chase.


PCN ******* 12 Nov. 2024

I refer to the above regulation 9 PCN issued to my car on 12 Nov. 2024.

I also refer you to your letter dated 9 January 2025 rejecting my informal representations.

I further refer you to your Charge Certificate issued on 18 March 2025 on the grounds that you had issued a Notice to Owner on 12 November 2024, the same day that you issued the PCN. 

For whatever reason, your notice procedures have failed and rather than wait for the Order for Recovery, Witness Statement, revocation order, NTO, formal representations and your cancellation of the PCN, either at this stage or on the subsequent direction of the adjudicator, I request that you cancel the PCN now.


Good Afternoon,

Ive just looked at the Charge Certificate and the only way to contact them is via telephone. Shall I try via the Havering.gov website or write to them? Any suggestion would be grateful

Kind regards
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Quote from: stamfordman on March 21, 2025, 12:46:07 pm
You could try this:

https://havering-self.achieveservice.com/service/lbh-Parking-PCN-Online-enquiry-form

Thank you very much for your help, I've just submitted the an online reply and stated what H C Andersen instructed me to do.

Now the question is, shall I wait for a few days and call them up ? or wait for a reply back from their online form enquiry. Dealing with this has giving me so much anxiety  :(

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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Wait for a reply.

We never advise calling, because the chances of you getting trough to someone who has the authority and skills to answer complex legal questions is zero, and you'll also have zero proof of whatever they say to you during the call.

Always get things in writing!
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Quote from: Grant Urismo on March 24, 2025, 04:14:11 pm
Wait for a reply.

We never advise calling, because the chances of you getting trough to someone who has the authority and skills to answer complex legal questions is zero, and you'll also have zero proof of whatever they say to you during the call.

Always get things in writing!

Appreciate the info, Im just worried that the debt will be handed over to the debt recovery agents and will be chasing me up.
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Quote from: Saj_87 on March 25, 2025, 08:05:34 am
Quote from: Grant Urismo on March 24, 2025, 04:14:11 pm
Wait for a reply.

We never advise calling, because the chances of you getting trough to someone who has the authority and skills to answer complex legal questions is zero, and you'll also have zero proof of whatever they say to you during the call.

Always get things in writing!

Appreciate the info, Im just worried that the debt will be handed over to the debt recovery agents and will be chasing me up.

They would have to send a letter labelled Order for Recovery first.

They cannot send it until 4th April 2025.

I am not sure if you can see amount due on the Counci's website, if you see the amount due goes up by £10 to £175 then that means your debt is registered with Traffic Enforcement Centre.

They cannot send enforcement officers until 3 weeks after the date of Order for Recovery.
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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I called the number on the letter, it was an automated voice message and it stated the following;

After receiving the Charge Certificate, ill have to wait for the order for recovery which is issues after 28 days of receiving the Charge Certificate. Then I will receive NTO.


If anyone wants to listen to the helpline, dial 01708432787

Press 1 and then 3
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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Morning all, its been over a month still and I have not heard anything from the council, No letters, No calls . . Does it still take this long?
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Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
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The amount outstanding as of today is £165. So it seems unlikely that the Council have sent an Order for Recovery. That would have added a £10 registration fee to the amount outstanding making it £175

Wait for the OfR. And keep an eye on the amount outstanding, that will tell you that an OfR has been sent even if it hasn't been delivered yet. You should also periodically phone the TEC (Traffic Enforcement Centre at Northampton County Court) and check the status.

There is a guide to your situation on the Forum. Have a read and follow the instructions. Charge certificate cases under the Traffic Management Act 2004 - no original PCN or Notice to Owner
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