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Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
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Certain types of emergencies my derriere!  I would take it to the Tribunal.  Let them explain what they mean by this expression and see if the adjudicator agrees.
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Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #31 on: »
I think you would have a very good chance at appeal but something needs clearing up, The video starts with a bus pulling out at green lanes bridge this is more than 1.5km from where you stopped and cannot have been the same camera. so two questions

Is it the same bus

or is the video edited to look like the bus was far behind you and it is not likely to have seen your accident.

It is strange that it took so long for a bus that was flashing headlights at you took so long to pull up alongside
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Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #32 on: »
the start of the video was irrelevant. It was their bad editing I think
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Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
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Quote from: Boxxer on December 21, 2023, 10:26:53 am
the start of the video was irrelevant. It was their bad editing I think

no it's not irrelevant, if they have edited the video, why? because they must have edited images from two cameras together and that is not allowed
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Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #34 on: »
Hope you all had a Merry Christmas.


I was about to appeal on the London Tribunals web site and there were a few things I wasn't quite sure which to choose.

I can't find it anywhere on the NOR. Am I right that to think this is a parking contravention


And should I choose "The traffic order allegedly contravened is invalid" as the grounds for appeal?


Really really appreciate for all the helps and advices on here. Thank you so much.
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Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #35 on: »
I can't seem to access the NOR or the last post:  parking contravention and contravention did not occur.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
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Very strange and not sure why, but I can try to list out the options here regarding to my questions. Many thanks!

01. Which contravention do you want to appeal?
- Parking contravention
- Moving traffic (including box junction) contravention
- Bus lane contravention
- London lorry control contravention (driver)
- London lorry control contravention (operator)
- Household/commercial/industrial waste
- Direct Vision Standard - Operator
- Clamping of your vehicle
- Direct Vision Standard - Driver
- Removal or towing away of your vehicle
- Littering from vehicle

02 What are your grounds for appeal? These are the only reasons that you can appeal. Choose all that apply.
- The civil enforcement officer was not prevented by some person from fixing the Penalty
- Charge Notice to the vehicle or handing it to the person in charge of the vehicle.
- The contravention did not occur
- The penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case
- The penalty charge has already been paid
- The traffic order allegedly contravened is invalid
- The vehicle was parked by someone in control of it without the owner's consent
- There has been a procedural impropriety on the part of the Enforcement Authority
- You are a hire firm and have supplied a valid hire agreement
- You were not the owner of the vehicle at the relevant time
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Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #37 on: »
As per my advice above.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #38 on: »
sorry for being dump. Can you please elaborate and is there any way I can try to fix this? thanks in advance 🙏
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Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand
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Thinking I will give up and pay for the discount charge. :-[  Thank you so much for everyone's kind help.
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