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Raj

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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2025, 09:37:17 pm »
the trial period ended sometime around mid of dec 2024 if i am not mistaken. i have a feeling that vehicles driven on this road more than once since the trial period are automatically being issued PCNs. i drove on this road once on 27th of dec and till date i havent received the PCN. so given the situation, my only though would be to raise an appeal stating you havent received the initial warning letter and as such you are unaware of the new restrictions. but again this is not a strong argument.
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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2025, 05:54:33 pm »
Hi Raj, FYI, I noticed the restriction too late and had to continue through the restriction as it was unsafe to do anything else! Date of offence 27/12/24 and got a PCN dated 06/01/25. I'm from out of the area. There was no warning before turning off the busy A4!
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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2025, 07:41:27 pm »
@Fer360cs
Is this your first entry on this road since the last week of nov? If yes then
On the short clip of the contravention, does it show your car pause or stop at the foot of the entrance before entering the road? If yes this I guess you have a decent chance of appealing.
Your primary point of appeal would be
1) could not reverse on to the a4 due to traffic (breaking the rule 201 of the traffic code)
2) lack of warning signs on the A4.
Note - you would need to prove that the temp warning signs on the A4 before the Rivercourt road were switched off.
I meant this sign in the pic below -
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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2025, 09:53:54 pm »
Thanks for the info. It's the only time I've driven on Rivercourt Road. The short one second video only starts after my front wheel already pass the double dash give way lines and ends before my rear wheel reach the said lines. It does not show the car before the line so cant prove if I stopped before crossing the line. The video shows the A4 at the time was busy and fast flowing, thanks for point out the highway code reference wrt to reversing from a minor road onto a major road. I cannot recall seeing any warning sign before the junction. As GSV etc are not up to date WRT to my PCN my daughter did a video of the A4 from Hogarth Roundabout to Rivercourt Road on the 9 Jan 2025, no warning signs were seen on the A4 in the video.
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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2025, 11:50:08 pm »
@Fer360cs
Is this your first entry on this road since the last week of nov? If yes then
On the short clip of the contravention, does it show your car pause or stop at the foot of the entrance before entering the road? If yes this I guess you have a decent chance of appealing.
Your primary point of appeal would be
1) could not reverse on to the a4 due to traffic (breaking the rule 201 of the traffic code)
2) lack of warning signs on the A4.
Note - you would need to prove that the temp warning signs on the A4 before the Rivercourt road were switched off.
I meant this sign in the pic below -
That sign is totally wrong. The restriction is NO access ! Anybody seeing this would assume it is perfectly OK to turn in. This makes any representations even stronger, as it does not reflect the traffic order.

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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2025, 12:18:30 am »
Very true! The sinage does not mention the road name, so could mean any road to the left.

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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2025, 12:26:02 am »
@Fer360cs
So seems like you have good few points to appeal. Good luck with it!
I am still not sure why I haven’t received my PCN yet as my drive on 27th was my only contravention too. Guess I have to contact the council to confirm if my vehicle has any existing PCNs.
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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2025, 02:30:12 am »
I received a PCN for this today, went through on 28/12/24 and notice dated 06/01/25. I also live nowhere near here and was my first time driving on this road.

Have sent an email to the address shared earlier, but considering that the reduced penalty charge ends on Friday because the letter took nearly a week to get here, and the slow response mentioned, my hopes aren't exactly high. Any ideas/advice appreciated.

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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2025, 10:05:17 am »
I received a PCN for this today, went through on 28/12/24 and notice dated 06/01/25. I also live nowhere near here and was my first time driving on this road.

Have sent an email to the address shared earlier, but considering that the reduced penalty charge ends on Friday because the letter took nearly a week to get here, and the slow response mentioned, my hopes aren't exactly high. Any ideas/advice appreciated.
If you look here, you'll see that signage is totally inadequate because there is no advance warning sign on the A4. The only way to get an unbiased judgment is to take them to London Tribunals. This means risking the full penalty. The case here is strong, but until we see a win here, it is all in the lap of the gods.
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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2025, 10:17:57 am »
I received a PCN for this today, went through on 28/12/24 and notice dated 06/01/25. I also live nowhere near here and was my first time driving on this road.

Have sent an email to the address shared earlier, but considering that the reduced penalty charge ends on Friday because the letter took nearly a week to get here, and the slow response mentioned, my hopes aren't exactly high. Any ideas/advice appreciated.


Please start your own thread, as otherwise we shall get muddled with you and the OP of this thread.
See
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

Please start your thread with a brief description of what happened, and post up there all sides of the PCN (redact only yr name & address), a copy of your e-mail to the Council (did you get any sort of automated receipt) and the GSV link to the location. By all means include a link to this thread there.

Depending on what you wrote, I wouldn't be quite so gloomy as Incandescent (H&F have been known to cancel, if rarely) but you need to be prepared to receive a rejection. I think an adjudicator might well be sympathetic, but let's see how H&F respond to your reps.

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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2025, 01:13:57 pm »
OP, will you pl focus on the signage, all of the signage, at the entrance to the road as I posted a few days ago.

Pl just spend a few minutes piecing this together and then just draw a simple diagram.

As I see it from the various snippets of photos and GSV, the following are situated at the entrance:

A Controlled Zone sign(which relates to parking). This is composite(has wording other than just the prescribed minimum of Controlled Zone) but not an associated late;
One-way street sign;
A speed limit sign;
A restricted access for vehicles over a prescribed weight sign with several very detailed associated plates;
A no entry for vehicular traffic sign, with associated late.
And it appears a Red Route Clearway ends sign.

And a driver is supposed to take all this in at 40mph!
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Re: PCN Hammersith London Rivercourt Rd
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2025, 01:21:47 pm »
After replying to @gt3, I took the time to read through the whole thread. It would seem H&F is on a roll issuing PCNs here!

We have had enquiries from
@Kempes (the OP) , @Raj (who has made helpful contributions to the discussion), @Fisherman007 , @GGX , @Wolfe , and @Fer360cs .

Rather than labour splitting the muddle of this thread (as each case progresses the muddle will become worse!), to ensure each gets the best advice, could I ask each of you to start your own thread in the time-honoured fashion
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

with all sides of the PCN (redact only yr name & address)'
 any correspondence so far with H&F,
  the video,
and the GSV link to the location.

This thread will be locked.
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