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Hi, I hope you see this and can help .  I received a PCN yesterday which reads the same as that supplied by  author=Billy Butcher
1) PCN  from Haringey - Code 52(M) Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicle) Cornwall Road N15 (Gorleston Rd/Falmer Rd –East - West (X2)

2) I was also using Google Maps, driving from Norfolk to Finsbury Park, was redirected off the north circular at Bull Lane (just looked it up) have spent ages trying to figure out the route I was led on using GMaps (on my latop), with little success, it was a series of small roads I know as a driver I should be responsible for checking the road.. but have no recollection of this junction.

Can you suggest any challenge ... I have read your response to Billy Butcher and have comapred my PCN with there's and apart from dates they appear to be the same, so should I copy the text you supplied to them?

Thanks for your time and for your previous, as Pepipoo, successful help with two parking tickets.

3) PCN links
PCN front https://ibb.co/cSS42qRZ
PCN back https://ibb.co/p6vMnPF4
PCN Photo https://ibb.co/zWzWDV5H
PCN Photo https://ibb.co/8LHMjbzz
Screen grab Google Maps https://ibb.co/fYYBkmJ8
Screen grab Google street view with no markings https://ibb.co/cSBX8VYm

Quote from: Billy Butcher on February 11, 2025, 02:46:52 pm
Received this PCN in haringey I am not familiar with this area at all, also from looking at the picture evidence ( if you want to call it evidence) I have no idea where I went wrong or what I’m even looking at. I was following google maps and do not remember seeing any clear signs stating no motor vehicles allowed. Do I have a case for appeal here ?

Thanks for swift response Incandescent, I think I was approaching that junction from Gorleston road but doubt that makes any difference,  I know and have acknowledged that I was at fault to blindly follow Google. 
 
The primary reason I was posting was that having seen the response by Hippocrates to the PCN from Billy Butcher, which is worded in the same way as mine,  I was hoping that my PCN might also be eligible for the same argument .. which I’m not sure I understand.. but thought worth asking

I will hold on and see if any update from Hippocrates, but have my cheque book ready .

Am now thinking I might ask Google maps to pay fine (joke) I will try to contact them because..I’m pretty sure this junction is incorrectly mapped.  When viewed on map the junction (with flower beds and markings is clear)  but in Street View it is different.. which is possibly why so many of us have been led , like foolish Google sheep, down the wrong route. I do live in London and I am usually vigilant! Hard lesson but has been learnt.

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Close the book:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/haringey-52(m)-pcn-nor-help-(downhills-park-rd-n17)/msg54378/#msg54378

Although .. having looked again at road layout and the PCN image of my vehicle, my view of the junction and the road markings would have been quite impaired because there are two big vans parked at the top of Gorleston Road... worth a shot?

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' Not really, because you turned right there, so didn't go down that street.'

I was puzzled at your 'turned right' so looked again at images ... and noticed there is a video .. of me slowly exiting Gorleston, between the two vans, and driving across junction to Falmer. so  much clearer than the photos...  oblivious to the road markings.. 

https://haringey.tarantoportal.com/PCNs/PCN/GetPartialVideo?v=1490BD4466A3FBF19C1E4799E43DF398B28C213D1CA1802F6EF3591ACC418C79AACC2CAC7EA8571B1B110839DC75DFECC2FD467D90F9F1051D7F55DAD92F30EEEF1FEA988B059896C2B8AFB033626C4B02067FFE36AA3B99B178D2490E47F3C3374200C5DFCEDEA7F69B74A992E2B2900AED060F2F4193C06A81C732F9BD7A40A377CEA40E2203E00F2B39FCCDC08FEB341BB27ABF273B2DB7EEC467B3A52D22

Hi Hippocrates,

Sorry, I realised after I’d replied to you, that I was reading the wrong paragraph and that the next paragraph is the same on my PCN as the one you quote from.
Think I had assumed that Haringey would have corrected any erroneous text once it had come to light.

But,  I also have to admit that I’m unclear what the error in that text is? I have read and re read.

I’m sure you’re sick of repeating yourself about this, but If you do think it’s worth me appealing , is there any chance of you spelling it out really simply for me so that I can then spell it out to Haringey in a convincing appeal?

 No worries if not, I had resigned myself to paying fine but would definitely prefer not to have to. Thanks again for your time

Please read my reps. in the other case and the decision. It is confusing and also, by corollary, they have not stated that unless you make reps. 28 days beginning with the date of service, they can serve a charge certificate. Also, they have allowed before Tribunal another case for a person I was helping on exactly the same reps. made. So the onus is on them tom at fairly in your case. You may as well authorise me now. I can PM you my details.

Mr Stanton-Dunne agreed with me.

Thank you 🙏 I have looked at a lot of your responses to the same and can see that you have had cases adjourned due to this. Are these your reps?
 I’m not sure who Mr Stanton Dunne is .. tbh feeling a bit out of my depth but (just looked up corollary meaning) and ‘forming a proposition that follows from one already proved.’ From which I understand that it has worked before so should work again?

Is the error something that can override the fact that I drove through  a traffic restriction ? The video is very  clear.

If so  I’d very much like to authorise you (is this to do the challenge for me? ) but is there a cost ? If so it may not be worth your while,  unfortunately I’m not in a position to pay any more than the Ł65 which is current fine?

Just to be clear too, I have not yet had any communication with Haringey about this PCN

Do you need my email or do you have access? I’d prefer not to post it publicly …

Thanks again

I would like to sort this out before any Tribunal hearing. I will PM you my details to authorise me.