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I recently received a PCN from Hammersmith and Fulham Council for making a U-turn. To be honest, I’ve made that same turn on several occasions in the past and wasn’t aware that it had been prohibited. It looks like they’ve recently installed a camera at that location to enforce the restriction.

What would be the best approach to make a representation? Would an appeal outlining the lack of adequate signage be a good approach?

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

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Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Where is this on Google Maps. It's not a complete U-turn. You can clearly see the sign though.


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Where is this on Google Maps


That would be here (July 2024 - the no U-turn sign appears to be later)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/CBGRbesAUZ6NfH1HA

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Yeah, the no u turn sign isn't on google maps yet.

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Yeah, the no u turn sign isn't on google maps yet.

Have the 'Ahead Only' arrows disappeared - it's not clear from the video?

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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The order for this is recent.

Road Traffic Acts
LONDON BOROUGH OF HAMMERSMITH AND FULHAM
ROAD TRAFFIC REGULATION ACT 1984
THE HAMMERSMITH AND FULHAM (PRESCRIBED ROUTES) (CONSOLIDATION) AMENDMENT (NO. 1) ORDER 2024
1. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham made the above-mentioned Orders under the powers granted by sections 6 and 124 of, and Part IV of Schedule 9 to, the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 as amended.

2. The general effect of the Order, which will come into operation on 18th September 2024, will be to introduce a banned U-turn restriction in New King’s Road, between the north-eastern kerb-line of Harwood Road and the western kerb-line of Wandsworth Bridge Road.

3. A copy of the Orders, the Councils statement of reasons for making the Orders and documents giving more detailed particulars of the Orders, can be inspected, by requesting copies in writing until the end of a period of 6 weeks beginning with the date on which the Orders are made, or as the case may be, the Council decides not to make the Orders.

Parking Services, The Place Department, Town Hall Extension, King Street, Hammersmith, W6 9JU or via email to Traffic.Orders@lbhf.gov.uk.

4. If any person wishes to question the validity of the Order or any of the provisions on the grounds that it or they are not within the powers conferred by the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, or that any requirement of that Act or of any instrument made under that Act has not been complied with, that person may, within 6 weeks from the date on which the Order is made, apply for the purpose to the High Court.

Dated this 11th day of September 2024

Masum Choudhury

Assistant Director of Transport

Highways, Parks and Waste

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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FGS. >:(
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Yeah, the no u turn sign isn't on google maps yet.

Have the 'Ahead Only' arrows disappeared - it's not clear from the video?

It's really hard to tell, but I believe the sign is still there.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2025, 09:44:11 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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good lord, this is the exact same spot, (and almost same time) as a PCN i got:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/3ij-box-jct-new-kings-rd-entering-and-stopping-in-a-box-junction-when-prohibited/

It's a small world.

Except, I didn't do a u-turn!

Perhaps the council's low on its quota this month and needs to dish out more taxes  :)

Anyway, good luck - I'll peruse this thread with great interest ...
« Last Edit: July 29, 2025, 09:52:38 pm by LemonTootski »
A Lemon Tootski - a term I call for that lovely lemon Fixed Penalty Sticker that appears on your windscreen, after a nice day out with the kids.

A Lemon Tootski: The only souvenir from your family day out that really sticks with you!

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Thanks to @Hippocrates for sharing the links — I’ve now read through all three cases and found them really helpful, though admittedly a bit dense!

In the first case, the claimant tried to argue that the “No U-turn” sign (diagram 614) didn’t apply because they performed a 3-point turn rather than a classic U-turn. The court ultimately rejected that argument, ruling that the sign prohibits any kind of manoeuvre that results in reversing direction, regardless of how it's done. In my case, however, I turned onto Wandsworth Bridge Road rather than going back on myself, so it might still be arguable that what I did wasn’t technically a U-turn in the prohibited sense.

The second case (with LemonTootski) seems to focus on a technical defect in the PCN, specifically missing mandatory information. After checking, it looks like the same error may apply to my PCN as well, so that might be worth raising.

The third case really struck a chord — it shows how difficult and drawn-out this whole process can be, even when logic seems to favour the motorist. It reflects what Hippocrates mentioned in the other post: that councils bank on most people just giving up and paying because the time and research involved isn't worth it. Sadly, that’s probably true.

To be completely honest, this isn’t my area of expertise. My gut feeling is that Fulham Council will reject any informal or formal challenge, which means I’ll have to take it to the London Tribunal if I want to fight it. I’m currently thinking of appealing on two main grounds:

The PCN is invalid due to missing mandatory information (as seen in LemonTootski’s case).

It wasn’t a U-turn, since I didn’t turn back in the opposite direction — I turned onto a different road.

Not sure how strong either point is, so any thoughts or suggestions would be really appreciated.

Also — if it does end up going to the London Tribunal, I’m honestly not sure how well I’ll hold up in there. It feels a bit daunting, especially not being experienced in this kind of thing.

Thanks again to everyone who contributes — it really helps those of us trying to make sense of this stuff.

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Would anyone be willing to represent me for this? To be honest, I don’t think I stand much chance of winning on my own.

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Yes. Have you made formal representations yet?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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No, I haven’t made formal representation yet.

Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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What should I mention in my representation. As far as I understand almost anything I say will get rejected and then it will be off to TEC to fight it out