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Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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Sure, thanks for the draft, i have now made the representation.

Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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I have received the reply for the appeal from the council and they have rejected it. I am attaching the rejection letter, they have also sent the Notice to Owner, shall I post that too here?

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Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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They say they've considered everything you've said, but that's a lie:



Just send this as your formal representation:

Dear London Borough of Hounslow,

I require you to consider my informal representations as my formal representations.

Yours faithfully,

Make it nice and easy for them to send a formal notice of rejection without bothering to consider anything at all.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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Hi,

I have received the letter of rejection for the formal representation I made. Please find it attached.

Thanks

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Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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They haven't re-offered the discount, so it is now a no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals, as the penalty remains the same.

Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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Well I've checked the youtube stats and they still haven't looked at the video, so there's still a compelling case to be made that they've ignored the representations, or at least the supporting evidence.

Would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
« Reply #21 on: »
Yes please, I have full confidence in you. Many thanks

Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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I've sent you a PM.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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Outcome, there is not enough to argue an error of law but even if there were, that's no longer a ground to seek a review.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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This bit missing:

this court I prefer the approach taken in Crookes in that making reference to the existence of something by hyperlink, without more, is not publication of that content. As Abella J observed the hyperlink communicates something exists but a further act is required before access is gained to it….”


Conclusion


26. In my view, the provision of a live link to a video on the YouTube website does not fall within the definition of “representations and any supporting evidence” that may be “provided” by the recipient of a notice to owner and “received” by the EA in accordance with sub-paragraphs (4)(a) and (1) of Regulation 6 of the Appeals Regulations and which must, as such, be “considered” by the EA in accordance with that Regulation.

27. The provision of hyperlink is not evidence itself, such as what is written within the representation, or any electronic attachment provided with it or uploaded to the EA’s website. I would give as an example of the latter the image file that was “provided” to, and “received” and “considered” by the EA in this case in the conventional way. I also add that the provision of a live link, or hyperlink, is not one of the “forms and manners” by which representations may be made, as stated on the notice to owner pursuant to Regulation 3(1)(c) and (2) and Regulation 5(2)(a).

28. Rather, the provision of a live link, as identified in the authorities from which I quoted above and from which I derived some assistance, merely communicates that something exists, with a further act required to access it. A representation containing such a live link does not contain, or even append, its content; it is merely a reference to it. I do not accept that a live link is evidence any more than an appellant stating in a representation or a notice of appeal, as they sometimes do, “If you call my friend, she will tell you what happened…”


29. The EA was not under a duty or obligation to follow the live link any more than it would be under an obligation to contact the friend in the example given above. Therefore, its refusal or omission to do so does not amount to a failure to consider the representations and any supporting evidence as required by the Appeals Regulations.

30. Nor, in my view, was the EA under any duty or obligation to provide to this tribunal, as “original representations”, the live link, rather than merely a copy of the URL as provided to it by the recipient of the PCN.

31. An EA could, if it wished, choose to follow a live link provided in representations and consider the material online. That would likely mean, however, that in order to comply with paragraph 3(3) of Schedule 1 to the Appeals Regulations, the EA would have to download the material and provide it to the tribunal.

32. Based on the wording and meaning of the two sets of applicable Regulations, as I interpret them, no procedural impropriety is proved.

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