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Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
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Taken without consent ground clearly limits to theft.
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Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
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The most likely ground to succeed is that the video doesn't show you entering the box.
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Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
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Here is a case at LT (previously PATAS) that upholds the importance of the adjudicator seeing the car drive into and out of the YBJ. Carl Teper is one of the most senior adjudicators so should be pretty persuasive.

https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:70::INITIALISE::70:P70_CAS_REFNO,P70_PCN_REFNO,P70_RETURN_PAGE,P70_AST_CODE:1088951,1136344,60,APPEAL&cs=3LF7KZVdrMMzjB8QdKgAhxj_ldBrjLIcUIGQYEyxl3gUaAVnjkRY4-1qSurKSwpyRdKxozgK2F6n9pAvdH7340w

Case ref is 2130491073 in case you have any difficulty following the link. Dates from 2013.
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Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - 31j
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Does the vehicle actually stop at all?
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Yes for about 7 seconds due to traffic ahead
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