3. Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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There's no dashed line on the road and you're right I think that it isn't clear you breached the signs.

They also ignored the wording challenge - Hippo is on top of this.

I think you have a very good chance at adjudication although some adjudicators can be fickle.

There's a chance that Southwark won't contest too.
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Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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Quote from: stamfordman on May 22, 2025, 12:51:07 pm
There's no dashed line on the road and you're right I think that it isn't clear you breached the signs.

They also ignored the wording challenge - Hippo is on top of this.

I think you have a very good chance at adjudication although some adjudicators can be fickle.

There's a chance that Southwark won't contest too.
I am. Please stay with us. I am in pre-action protocol mode re their PCNs and website for High Court.

Your case: failure to consider is a ground of appeal. PM sent.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2025, 08:50:34 pm by Hippocrates »
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Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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PM received. let's go for it.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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Morning,

I've received the rejection in the post this morning and re-read it (the same one I posted on here earlier, I haven't sent anything to the tribunal as yet). They rejected because, "...our camera evidence shows your vehicle disobeying a 'no-entry' sign... The CCTV footage shows the vehicle stationary before the restriction then reversing past the no entry signs and road markings..."


On Google Maps back in March 2017 there was a lamp post parallel with the current one and both had 'no-entry' signs on them:



By Sept 2017 one lamp post had been removed (ahead of the dedicated cycle path being installed) and the 'no-entry' sign removed from the remaining post:




The 'no-entry' signs reappeared at some point since last summer (the last time on maps you can see they're missing). The NO ENTRY roadmarking is set well back from the posts and so shouldn't be used as a guide.  I've marked up the current overhead view in the snip below:

- The red dots are the posts the current 'no-entry' signs are fixed to - the original lamp post (on the left as you drive) and a post which is set back from Union Street and belongs to Redcross Way. They're not in line with each other and are well ahead of the NO ENTRY road marking.
- The green rectangle is the spot I reversed in to.
- The purple dot is the post where the camera was fixed and the purple lines are its lines of sight. As per the video evidence they provided the camera is unable to see either sign post, the view is blocked by a tree on the left and a house on the right

As such, I don't think they have any evidence that my car actually reversed past these signs:



I just wanted to provide this in case it helps, thanks.
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Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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Date of NOR is 21st May so we have plenty of time to file the appeal.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2025, 07:36:26 am by Hippocrates »
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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I'll file the appeal later this evening.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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Back now and on top of this.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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Hearing next week.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Southwark, code 51j, failing to comply with a no entry restriction, union street/redcross way, SE1
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Won. Decision tomorrow.  ;D I think costs are in order depending on what it says of course.  This PCN belongs to Fantasy Island.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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